I would have to agree with the assessment about Avon forums. They have become a haven for snake oil salesmen. I do find it entertaining to read about the nonsensical products that are advertised here. Magic mats, $15,000 speaker cables, expensive contact cleaners, little bowls to stick on the walls of your listening room, etc. and the claims from the shills, using expressions like “night and day difference, “jaw dropping improvement” “blacker backgrounds”. And when someone questions the nonsense, all hell breaks loose and people get all worked up about it. Very entertaining.