Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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tomthiel,

Ha...yeah I feel a bit strange lauding them so highly.  They just happen to hit my buttons. 

As I said, at least my pair has an upper mid/lower treble peak of some sort that unfortunately can make them shouty or piercing with the wrong material.  And they won't turn up terribly loud before straining.

But they have such an in-the-room palpability.  And they seem to be a match made in heaven with my Conrad Johnson tube gear and especially with vinyl playback, which I think plays to their strengths and mitigates some of their weaknesses.   I'll have to try pairing them with my subs at some point for fun.
Prof - you might enjoy a little history trip, even if a particular or two might be blurry. The model 02 was a particularly formative step in Thiel's early evolution.
Remember, things were very different in the mid 70s. There was no "high end" yet. Major niches were JBL monitors and Advent coming from academia, geared toward wanna be sophisticates, and Bose promulgating the new paradigm. Thiel's first model 01 was a 10"x 1.5" two way with sealed box equalized bass, 3rd order - very dynamic and efficient (94dB?), but lacking gentleness, nuance and grace. Early advisers counseled that a very different product would attract a very different market and provide experiential input for deciding how to best proceed. We were making up our future on the fly.
Jim designed the 02, somewhat reluctantly, to address these nascent audiophile sensibilities, to be sweet and enveloping and enjoyable. Jim was puzzled by and somewhat resentful that this  experiment was so successful. His heart wasn't really in it, but it hit lots of people's buttons. It was the only product which Jim refused to have reviewed, because he felt it was a form of manipulation of sensibilities, psychological design, re-mixing common ingredients, nothing new. However, as a good engineer, he did give it his full attention. We collectively chose the Peerless silk dome tweeter as it was the darling of the day. The Seas (I think) woofer practically engineered itself to fit the need of second order roll-off and ported bass - so crossover part count was minimal. Our vision was very low cost x high appeal. I designed a cabinet to Jim's enclosed volume specification which left NO / zero waste except sawdust. We even sold the dropouts from the woofer and grille frame rout to recover that cost. The walls were 5/8 particle board to get Jim's volume requirement and yield the palels from standard 49" x 97" sheets. Their retail price in 1977 was $200 / pair in all four standard woods: Walnut, White Oak, Teak and Brazilian Rosewood. That inflates to $885 in today's money. They were a hit.

The 02 served as an influence, a channel to learn what things matter to some listeners who could become our customers. I also have a warm spot in my heart for the 02. The pair coming from my brother is the Rosewood prototype we showed at our first CES - June 1997. The 03 silent prototype we showed there was an 01 in a tower; it never saw daylight. A major reason was the affection and enthusiasm directed toward the 02 by our first public audience. That input was formative and motivating.

The 02 also played a survival function. The late 70s was a financially turbulent time. A particularly wild currency swing caused an imbalance between the German Mark and American Dollar which allowed US products to sell in Germany for even money as in America. So, a competent German distributor came aboard and did a great job selling our fledgling products, 01 and especially 02s, into one of the most sophisticated markets in the world. Italy and England followed. That fact got the attention of some high-profile, top tier East Coast US dealers. They never would have even noticed a new little company from Kentucky, but were eager to take on a company making such good headway in Europe.

The 02 experience caused us to change course in the 03 development. It became a far more sophisticated product than originally imagined. One of the major differences between the 01 and 02 (among everything being different) was the 02 second order vs 01 third order crossover slopes. Second order slopes never exceed 90° phase shift and transition smoothly to the other driver with inverted polarity. There is an ease and rightness about that transition, even though it inverts polarity; there are no abrupt phase shifts or ringing as there are in higher orders. By the way, the newcomer Dave Wilson incorporated the 02 woofer and crossover design into his new "WATT" small monitor. Doesn't that make the Thiel 02 some kind of mythical grandfather or something?

An addendum here is that the 02 precedes our knowledge of pure wire and foil caps, which developed via the rigors of the phase coherent 03. Guess what I'll be doing to my 02s. Do any of you know if that 1" Peerless soft dome tweeter is still supplied?
@Tomthiel - thanks for the trip down memory lane ! The 02 had a rightness about them- paired at the shop with Audionics of Oregon BT-2 and CC2 and a decent Turntable and Grado they would shine !
older brother still has his pair today !!!!



Wow, thank you Tom!

It’s so nice to be able to read a previously hidden history of a pair of speakers that have meant so much to me for decades. And now, given Jim’s disdain, I feel even more guilty liking them so much ;-)

It just goes to show you that even when a talented engineer’s heart isn’t in to it, the talent still comes through.

I’ll be interested in your experiments with the 02!
Wow, what an impressive thread....
I just stopped in because I will always be a huge Thiel fan.  Here's my story.

My first pair were 1.2's.  I loved them for a couple years and couldn't wait for my income to improve until I could upgrade.  Then I bought 2 2's.  Likewise, I loved them and looked forward to being able to climb the Thiel ladder.  Finally, I was able to afford a pair of 3.6's.
Audio Nirvana!  Unquestionably, the best speakers I ever owned.  I paired them with a Krell KSA 200 and Audio Research LS26.  I used to go to RMAF and listen to the uber-priced goods on display.  Then, I'd go home and power up and realize that my system gave no ground to anything I had heard for under $50k.
But I sold my 3.6's, for a couple reasons:  Jim Thiel died, and I began to have concerns about the company's future and availability of parts/service.  Also, as good as the Krell was, it was an enormously inefficient amp....it wasn't noisy, but there were times I thought I could hear the whir of my electric meter when it was running.  So, I jumped and sold the 3.6's.
Next, I bought Revel Studio 2's.  A darn good speaker, but too big and imposing for my room, and they really needed the Krell as much as the Thiels to sound their best.
Meanwhile, I craved simplicity and moved to an integrated amp, an
Ayre AX 5 Twenty.  A great integrated and I don't see myself going back to separates in the future.
The Revels always seemed to need more breathing room than my listening room allowed and I finally decided to let them go.
After a lot of auditioning, I landed on Vandersteen Treo CT's, my present speakers.  It's a really good system and the Vandy's remind me so much of my Thiels....amazing musical and open sound and ability to listen deep into an ensemble.

As happy as I am with my present system, there are plenty of nights when I close my eyes and recall that Thiel/Krell/AR rig.  Taut, fast, deep, transparent, unbelievable sound stage, wide and tall.  Like my present system with an extra gear.
I don't want to disparage either the Revels or the Vandys...wonderful speaks.  But the 3.6's were the BEST speakers I ever owned and among the very best I've ever heard.