Pulsars and the Mythical Armchair Speaker Maker


There’s another thread going about Joseph Audio Pulsar speakers which I did not want to derail, but it is showing up some common logical fallacies and dead ends I wanted to talk about.


As anyone who has read my posts knows, I’m a huge proponent of DIY for speakers and cables especially. Not that I think you should only go with DIY but because the more audiophiles who can build their own we have in the community the less snake oil gets spread around as fact and there’s less worshipping of the price tag as the almighty determiner of speaker performance.


The myth I want to talk about is kind of related. It is the idea that we should value speakers based purely on driver cost. JA’s Pulsars suffer from this because they seem to use off the shelf components, in very nice cabinets, with perfectly executed crossovers. The thing that I don’t understand are buyers who look at driver cost, and say "well, these speakers should cost no more than x amount, so I’m not buying them... "


I call hogwash. Speakers are more than a collection of parts. They are curated components brought together by a designer and manufacturer. Those same people who are likely to engage in this behavior:

  • Can’t actually design a speaker themselves
  • Would NEVER build a DIY speaker even as a complete kit because it doesn’t have a brand, nor would they buy an assembled DIY speaker.
  • Would probably go with a speaker with in-house drivers which have an even higher markup
  • May not have very good ears anyway


My point is, knowing the price of the parts does not make you at all qualified to judge what the final price should be. That is, fairly, in the hands of the market, and it doesn’t actually make you a better listener or more informed buyer. I would argue you end up buying speakers for brands with even more of a markup and more likely to have questionable performance.


It’s perfectly reasonable for a manufacturer to charge for parts, and skill. So, yes, talking tech and drivers and crossover components is always fun, but please stop evaluating the price of finished goods until you’ve attempted at least designing one pair yourself.

And again, DIY is a lot of fun, and if you want to go that way, you should, but let’s not denigrate high value, high quality manufacturers and delers by reducing them to part assemblers any more than you'd judge a restaurant based on the cost per pound of chicken.


Thank you,

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erik_squires
@kenjit Read the article, it has links to full simulation files.

Why pay more when you can get better results for less?

Which is actually the point. The point is you should buy performance, not parts.

If you can get better for less, do so. That's what the market is about. Denigrating a particular brand solely on part cost is the opposite of buying performance.
Also, @kenjit : Those are my qualifications, so before you go critiquing, lets see your work. 

You won't just be allowed to critique until I've seen you demonstrate reasonable speaker acumen. Criticizing the work of others without being able to make anything yourself is exactly the type of conceit I meant to point out in this thread.
(copied part of the post from the other pulsar thread)
I just had to chime in after reading most of this nonsense/bs of people *assuming* they know more than Jeff Joseph. It’s actually quite embarrassing that people are jealous of success and pretend they have the knowledge to DIY. Heads up I do own the Pulsars for 4-5 years or so. I didn’t make the purchase after one stellar review but after a plethora of stellar reviews from all over the world and MOST IMPORTANTLY auditioning them first. Without question they have been rated and still one of the best sounding speakers in the world (yes very true) and now the first upgrade since 2012. Hmm odds are 100% that this upgrade / modification will significantly better the sound... to criticize about actually listening to something first hand is fine but to make crap  up about nonsense is laughable!
@erik_squires 

i dont see any measurements.

You won't just be allowed to critique until I've seen you demonstrate reasonable speaker acumen.


That is exactly the point I'm refuting. It does NOT require speaker acumen. There is no such thing. Every speaker designer has their own belief about the best way to do things. Sometimes diametrically opposed. Every speaker sounds different. Often vastly different. 

If I was to do a diy speaker i would get somebody to do the box. It wouldnt cost thousands of dollars though. The crossover would be dsp. Passive is not only more difficult but the results are worse. Are you looking for the best performance with least effort and cost or do you enjoy spending more money than necessary?




Are you looking for the best performance with least effort and cost or do you enjoy spending more money than necessary?

You really just can’t grok this issue, can you?

If I go to a local restaurant with a great chef and enjoy some fine dining am I "spending more money than necessary?" Of course not. I could potentially spend the time learning to cook at that level myself, shop all over for the ingredients, and keep trying until I cook a good meal.

But....

Since I DON’T WANT to spend my time that way, and also can’t be even guaranteed I’d match the talent of the chef in any case, I make the totally rational decision to spend extra money having a professional chef cook for me.

Similarly, yes speakers sound different of course. And if it’s the case that a Jeff Joseph design stands out to me as just what I want, the alternative you seem to imagine is that I become a DIY speaker designer. So I’d have to spend significant time and resources taking up a craft that I don’t want to do in the first place, and then hope to hell that I somehow match the results of someone with years of experience and whose designs have been vetted as outstanding by reviewers and listeners, which measure really well etc.

But I don’t want to! We all make the rational decisions on how to spend our time on this earth, and most of us don’t want to learn a craft instead of make a purchase. That’s why people pay for services and products made by other people!!! When you have other people do things for you...it costs MORE than if you do it because you are paying for THEIR labor, knowledge, and business overhead.

Why you keep ignoring this fundamental principle of an economy to keep implying one is "needlessly spending too much" just because ’you could do it yourself’ is bizarre.


What a stupid, and utterly naive dichotomy you have going there.
And saying things like this:


It does NOT require speaker acumen. There is no such thing.




Immediately removes you from any rational consideration.  You don't know what you are talking about.