Why the fascination with subwoofers?

A number of years back, Danny Richie's GR Research system was voted as producing "Best Bass At The Show" by attendants of the RMAF show. Danny used a pair of Rythmik/GR Research OB/Dipole Subs at the front of the room, and a pair of Rythmik F12G Sealed Subs at the rear, their phase controls set 180 degrees opposed to the front subs.

audiokinesis: "The "no bass" you mentioned happens at the rear wall, not out in the room, or so the theory goes."

Hey Duke,

     Okay, that makes a lot more sense to me now.  When I win the lottery, I'll buy a pair of Magnepan 20.7s and some extra bass panels, build a room and give you a call to try it out.

     I'll be living right on the beach somewhere. 
Thanks,
  Tim

Dear @noble100  : The Sounddoctor is a point of view as can be yours, Audiokinesis or any one else and there is no reason that we can read it and the ones with more knowledge levels in the bass regards will took what is " rigth " and diminish what's wrong.

From some time now, I try to read the more I can on that regards.

When I started I did it alone with out knowing Harman or Geddes papers I just trust is what my nearfield live music experiences told me. Yes I took more time to achieve that " there " mentioned before that's what must be an audiophile target.

I have two true subs in a room with out bass traps and no equalization of any kind and I'm lucky enough to stay " there ". You are closer to that " there " so go for it, makes a difference and you will know when you experienced in your room/system.

Btw, I'm in this thread and in the other bass thread because I'm learning from almost every one.

I think that other than the Harman white papers no one  is owner of the " bass Bible ".
I know that reading " here and there " and following making some additional tests or making very little position changes or the like we can learn and perhaps a new kind of improvement. Well this is the way I think and the way I'm moving in my room/system, overall not only in the bass management.
My main target is to stay nearer to the recording.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Hello rauliruegas,

     I just consider myself a student of good home audio, too. Over the last decade or so, I've mainly been on a quest for good home audio bass response.  
     Through experimentation and research, I've found some methods for achieving good bass response and integration in my room and system, just as it seems you have. 
     I think we're both just sharing what we've learned with others. Nothing wrong with that and I wish you only the best on your quest to stay nearer to the recording.

Enjoy,
Tim 

Hey Noble, Real Bad Idea. I love Maggie 20.7s but adding two more bass panels is just going to give you a lot more of no bass.(below 40 Hz)
Dipoles make crappy subwoofers. There is this myth out there that you can not mate a dynamic sub with a dipole bas panel. That is because most are trying to do it the wrong way based on more mythology. I have been using dipoles exclusively since 1976. I would never live with out a sub woofer. There is no other way to reproduce that visceral you are there experience.