What percentage of audiophiles use a sub ?

I, too, used to think that it was extremely difficult to integrate a sub in a high-end two-channel system. However, the JL Audio F113 has shown me how easy and effective it can be. It is the first sub that I've heard that is fast enough to keep up with my B&W 800's. The main improvement is a sense of scale and filling in the soundstage. Since I don't have any neighbors to offend, there are no compromises at all with this setup.

Elizabeth said "except of course, to massage one's internals, which some enjoy."

I do hope that you are not too old to still enjoy that. Get a sbwoofer:)

Bob

I'd have to say that a good percentage of the systems that include subs that I've heard don't impress me. The bass is overblown and unnatural and doesn't much resemble the live acoustic music I enjoy.

That's not to say a sub that has been well matched to the system and properly adjusted can't help with large orchestral pieces, but my exposure indicates "doing it right" is hardly a slam dunk.

Keep in mind that the majority of instruments don't have fundamentals that are all that low. Low E on a bass guitar is 41 Hz. Low notes on a grand piano are ostensibly lower, but they have a very heavy component of overtones that are actually louder than the fundamentals in that range. Large drums can also benefit.

However, the vast majority of music is in the midrange. I lose interest if the system doesn't have that right or if the added subwoofer screws up that balance.

In short, for some of us a subwoofer done poorly is a far worse offense than a system with a slightly shy bottom end

Determine the kind of music you like and listen to the most. Then go to live events featuring that kind of music. If you then feel you need a sub, go for it. Start out at a lower level, both hertz and volume settings and slowly integrate it to as close to what you heard live.

In short, for some of us a subwoofer done poorly is a far worse offense than a system with a slightly shy bottom end

Amen,brother!! Most of the systems that I've heard with a subwoofer fall into this realm. I have had the pleasure to hear a couple of systems with well integrated subwoofers that sounded wonderful.I guess it's like anything else,having good tools and using them correctly will reward you with good results.