Are Martin Logan’s what they used to be?

The friend I bought the 10t’s from wanted to almost give me a pair with amp... no one really wanted them so the price was ridiculous... after the ML disaster I wasn’t going down that road again.

I agree that the ML's were weak with rock and harder funk... female vocals and jazz were the comfort zone for the Vista's. I will say I hooked them up with my HT and the ML's were amazing at least! 

Two channel had it's genre limits imho

Re mijostyn's claim that Roger Sanders designed the ML curved ESL panels:
No.... that was Gayle Sanders.
It is confusing that there are two Sanders in the ESL world.... But let's give Gayle the credit here.

Actually, Roger Sanders *DOES* claim to be the inventor of curved electrostatic panels in the late 70's (see his FAQ page here), but he subsequently decided that flat ESL panels sounded better.  Gayle MARTIN Sanders (along with Ron LOGAN Sutherland) were the co-founders of Martin-Logan.   I believe their first ESL, the Monolith, actually featured a flat panel, but they subsequently embraced the curved approach.  Both approaches have their merits.

Sorry but "You are full of it and talking nonsense" sleepysurf.

To the other esl owners
The "slightest" wobble back or forward will effect the image/depth perception, that’s why we spike/blu-tac two ways to solid stands, so there is no back/forward, and do the same with floor standers. Also why Quad did it to their’s, even though they have a substantial frame and large spiked heavy platform https://www.stereophile.com/images/717quad.bac.jpg

As the micro detail can get smeared, if they ever so slightly move backward if the driver or esl-panel is trying to push back and forwards, instead of the driver/panel energy being projected into the room, it’s waisted moving the ever so slightly shaky panel instead.
I’ve done it with my ML Monoliths with a brace to the back wall so there’s no back/forward movement, and the image and depth perception was sharpened and increased dramatically, .

Cheers George