Are Martin Logan’s what they used to be?


I had a pair of Vista’s that sounded very good, amazing actually with vocals but they were always in need of maintenance. Replaced panels... both woofers... ML admitted the 8’s were an issue. 

I have AA 10t’s now and miss the Logan staging etc. I am in no way disappointed with the AA’s but just wondering about the new ML lineup. 

Opinions and facts are welcome.
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Re mijostyn's claim that Roger Sanders designed the ML curved ESL panels:
No.... that was Gayle Sanders.
It is confusing that there are two Sanders in the ESL world.... But let's give Gayle the credit here.

Actually, Roger Sanders *DOES* claim to be the inventor of curved electrostatic panels in the late 70's (see his FAQ page here), but he subsequently decided that flat ESL panels sounded better.  Gayle MARTIN Sanders (along with Ron LOGAN Sutherland) were the co-founders of Martin-Logan.   I believe their first ESL, the Monolith, actually featured a flat panel, but they subsequently embraced the curved approach.  Both approaches have their merits.
Sorry but "You are full of it and talking nonsense" sleepysurf.

To the other esl owners
The "slightest" wobble back or forward will effect the image/depth perception, that’s why we spike/blu-tac two ways to solid stands, so there is no back/forward, and do the same with floor standers. Also why Quad did it to their’s, even though they have a substantial frame and large spiked heavy platform https://www.stereophile.com/images/717quad.bac.jpg

As the micro detail can get smeared, if they ever so slightly move backward if the driver or esl-panel is trying to push back and forwards, instead of the driver/panel energy being projected into the room, it’s waisted moving the ever so slightly shaky panel instead.
I’ve done it with my ML Monoliths with a brace to the back wall so there’s no back/forward movement, and the image and depth perception was sharpened and increased dramatically, .

Cheers George
I had a very enjoyable conversation with Roger Sanders about a pair of Eros and the amp/xover. I kinda seems I should buy them and sell my 10T's to finance two new panels. The pair I'm looking at are the Mk1 and he stressed strongly I replace the panels if they weren't already. That is a 2000$ min investment. For 500$ I can get the Eros w amp. I REALLY miss the image and natural tonality of panels... I can really "hear" the tweeters on my 10t's. wondering if I should recap the xovers in the AA's?