I went from Class D to Luxman A/AB - And most of what you think is wrong


Hi everyone,

As most of you know, I’m a fan of Class D. I have lived with ICEPower 250AS based amps for a couple of years. Before that I lived with a pair of Parasound A21s (for HT) and now I’m listening to a Luxman 507ux.


I have some thoughts after long term listening:
  • The tropes of Class D having particularly bad, noticeable Class D qualities are all wrong and have been for years.
  • No one has ever heard my Class D amps and gone: "Oh, wow, Class D, that’s why I hate it."
  • The Luxman is a better amp than my ICEPower modules, which are already pretty old.

I found the Class D a touch warm, powerful, noise free. Blindfolded I cannot tell them apart from the Parasound A21s which are completely linear, and run a touch warm due to high Class A operation, and VERY similar in power output.


The Luxman 507 beats them both, but no amp stands out as nasty sounding or lacking in the ability to be musical and involving.


What the Luxman 507 does better is in the midrange and ends of the spectrum. It is less dark, sweeter in the midrange, and sounds more powerful, almost "louder" in the sense of having more treble and bass. It IS a better amplifier than I had before. Imaging is about the same.


There was one significant operational difference, which others have confirmed. I don't know why this is true, but the Class D amps needed 2-4 days to warm up. The Luxman needs no time at all. I have no rational, engineering explanation for this. After leaving the ICEPower amps off for a weekend, they sounded pretty low fi. Took 2 days to come back. I can come home after work and turn the Luxman on and it sounds great from the first moment.


Please keep this in mind when evaluating.


Best,

E
erik_squires

@mapman 

Right, $300 for the module and maybe $300 in parts to put it together.

...which is probably just fine for most applications save the more challenging ones audiophiles tend to favor.
Maybe I missed something?
More likely don’t understand.


I believe this is what Georgehifi is also referring to in his comments.
Especially in the upper mids/highs


golfnuttz, 100 times? you tend to over exaggerate and are a bit misinformed;
That would be you, not golfnuttz as many others hear it also, and it just "happens to be" where passed/present day Class-D technology has it’s achilles heels, in dead time and switching frequency issues, and GaN Class-D Technology if used for all it’s worth fixes both these issues, as presented to you from the inventors, (EPC), the manufacturers TI (Texas Instruments) and Technics with the SE-R1 and to a degree the SU-G30 (dead time not higher switching frequency).   


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@tweak1 


OK, 20-25 times, but it sure seems like 100.

Please tell me what I'm confused about?

I'm basing my comments on actually owning 2 of the Icepower 1200as2 amps. The only conclusion I've said was that you'd be selling your amp within a year. I hope I'm wrong, I hope you enjoy the amp. Just know, the resale on your amp won't be very high.