HI Mindless- please DO give the Ryan R620 speakers another chance. I have heard them numerous times and they always sounded wonderful to me. It must have been either room or equipment that disappointed you. You might also want to listen to the Endeavor E3 now being sold by Von Schweikert Audio which is also exceptional sounding. As for your topic, unless I read a reviewer's work for a number of years and get to know his taste in music and music reproduction, I find most reviews to be entertainment more than informational. Seems like many of them go to great lengths to find the most obscure tracks to use to evaluate a component so that also tends to obfuscate the results.
Audio Reviewers
I was watching the Audiophiliac's video titled, "So you want to be an audio reviewer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lad_cPheR60 by Steve Guttenberg, In it he said he doesn't do negative reviews. Thus many of the products he listens to never are put to paper, or a video created about. That got me thinking in general about reviews. Based on his video should I presume if I do not see a review by any of the primary reviewers I should just stay clear from that product? It seems many of the reviewers like Schiit, Zu, Tekton and the reviews for these products are numerous. Are they really the best at their price point, or its it dangerous to buck the trend and state something differently.
Specific to reviewers not liking a product, I have found products they have liked and that same product either at an audio show, or at an audiophiles home I have ended up being disappointed. I suppose it could be expectation, but I try to listen multiple times before passing judgement. Speakers that have fallen in to this category -
Joseph Audio Perspective -thought I would like, but based on a price/performance ratio I felt they were underachievers.
Ryan R620 (extremely disappointed. Such that I feel I must hear again as either the room, or upstream setup was flawed).
Zu Druids ( I have heard in locations I loved and other times they fell flat). They are on my short list to buy based on their look and those moments I really liked.
Gallo 3.1 (I bought based on the reviews and never was able to love, even after changing amps).
Back to reviewers - I like watching, or reading reviews from John Darko, New Day Records (he seems to be the most honest, but at times rambles), Part-time Audiophile, Michael Fermer at Analogue Planet (my favorite audiophile personality), and at times I will watch Steve Guttenberg (his review videos are extremely light and/polite, but I do enjoy when he visits \audiophile homes. I used to follow 6moons quite a bit, but I have found their recent reviews off the mark and rarely seek out their site these days. My recollection on 6moons is they used to have much more substance, but these days their reviews are filled with pics and light on content. Maybe it's just a few of their reviewers.
I suppose it is easier being a "half-cup" full reviewer and not talking about the negative. Dwelling on and extensively talking about what you dislike probably discourages designers from sending you products and not providing access (I have no idea since I don't review). I seem to recall when 10 Audio gave Harbeth's 30s a 4 out of 10 - the backlash from owners and Harbeth followers was swift and harsh - http://10audio.com/harbeth_m30.htm. I however found it refreshing, not that I agreed, but it seemed to buck the trend, especially on a speaker company that has a large following.
Specific to reviewers not liking a product, I have found products they have liked and that same product either at an audio show, or at an audiophiles home I have ended up being disappointed. I suppose it could be expectation, but I try to listen multiple times before passing judgement. Speakers that have fallen in to this category -
Joseph Audio Perspective -thought I would like, but based on a price/performance ratio I felt they were underachievers.
Ryan R620 (extremely disappointed. Such that I feel I must hear again as either the room, or upstream setup was flawed).
Zu Druids ( I have heard in locations I loved and other times they fell flat). They are on my short list to buy based on their look and those moments I really liked.
Gallo 3.1 (I bought based on the reviews and never was able to love, even after changing amps).
Back to reviewers - I like watching, or reading reviews from John Darko, New Day Records (he seems to be the most honest, but at times rambles), Part-time Audiophile, Michael Fermer at Analogue Planet (my favorite audiophile personality), and at times I will watch Steve Guttenberg (his review videos are extremely light and/polite, but I do enjoy when he visits \audiophile homes. I used to follow 6moons quite a bit, but I have found their recent reviews off the mark and rarely seek out their site these days. My recollection on 6moons is they used to have much more substance, but these days their reviews are filled with pics and light on content. Maybe it's just a few of their reviewers.
I suppose it is easier being a "half-cup" full reviewer and not talking about the negative. Dwelling on and extensively talking about what you dislike probably discourages designers from sending you products and not providing access (I have no idea since I don't review). I seem to recall when 10 Audio gave Harbeth's 30s a 4 out of 10 - the backlash from owners and Harbeth followers was swift and harsh - http://10audio.com/harbeth_m30.htm. I however found it refreshing, not that I agreed, but it seemed to buck the trend, especially on a speaker company that has a large following.
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Good point on music selection. Difficult to like a speaker if you dislike the music coming from it. As far as Ryan speakers- I will give them another chance as I seem to be in the minority. I heard them in a near field setup with what I thought to be a poor selection of music. I perceived the room less then ideal, sitting far too close to the speakers. |
I guess I'm rather naive. I am amazed that manufacturers actually pay cash for reviews. Why not just buy some ad time ,and do an infomercial?? This was brought to light in a recent "review" on a pair of tekton speakers. It seems losing ethics and morals are the cost of appearing successful. And that goes for both parties involved. |
It’s a people problem, not a reviewer or review problem. ie, the Harbeth owner backlash. Or what happened when totem got a not perfect review in stereophile. Only good reviews are capable of being published. Human thought based on emotional evaluation, in all context, essentially. Even when calm, it’s still there. If you scrape off the layers of convoluted musing and head scratching and get right down to the root causes (as that is effective and all other musing is not, ie circular)...and it’s difficult to get past this... as it is all we know....but..---we’re still animals. That fundamentally, our behaviour is still predicated on the invisible (to most) social and mechanical/fleshy bits of a animal of some sort. Logic is a nice concept but the monkey beneath or under the mask still rules the entire process and flow. Few escape it ...and when they do, they are not seen or recognized by the masses. Due to this package of life, we have a situation where a bad review travels about 10x faster than a good one. And no person or company wants to or will allow their product to be reviewed by any entity, group, or individual who has given out bad reviews. In turn, no magazine, website or blog will want to do bad reviews as it hurts their position tremendously. So... you all want to know where the lions are in the tall grass so you can avoid death on the way to the shore of the river to get some water in your gut...and you will follow that information to the best of your life ability, as everything counts on it. But being in a good space, is no where near as valuable. We are naturally pessimistic, one might say, underneath it all. You are wired to seek happiness, etc, but to not be happy about achieving it. It’s what keeps you alive, it is the dominant neurological regime. Everyone looks out of the fleshy box and any integration with any other person or human sound or so called ’life’... will keep that hypnotic intact, reinforced and owning your world. The fix and problem is inside, the problem is outside and the filter/interpreter of it all...is the ego.... and that’s the scenario you deal with. The fact that there is no such thing as a negative review is my fault. It’s your fault. Its the fault of the person beside you on the bus, or in the next office or chair, or on the highway next to you. Our lack of capacity for reason makes it so. In stereophile, for example, they openly recognize this and go out of their way to tell you that a lack of a review on a product does not mean the product is bad, no, not at all. But that they reasonably can’t do negative reviews and will not publish negative reviews. Their job is to alert you to cool stuff that they think sounds good. The end. They simply cannot cover everything and their space is limited, so good reviews only. You read them to seek that happiness that you cannot achieve due to being wired to not accept it... but are permanently wired to seek. Cats and and rats and moose and almost any animal you can think of snakes, etc, even fruit flies will seek to take a break from this wiring issue..and will indulge in drugs and alcohol --till the cows come home. Sex and music listening, etc, other ways of achieving the break from the unstoppable Juggernaut that faces off with the immovable object - of the war of wiring in the self. Music listening is you shooting up, doing a few lines, tossing back a few shots... seeing your own child ’be’ etc, etc... The next problem encountered (and mixed in to the mess) is that human hearing is HIGHLY individualized, and self programmed. We are given an individual neurological and physical package to start, dictated by our genetics and growth environment, and then we build that hearing up ourselves, to the best of our ability. Which means individual hearing and tastes and micro emphases vary as much as a bell curve IQ chart, with the same depth of meaning. Similarities... but very much individual. Engineering weighting and rigorous numerical/mathematical weighting can, beyond a certain point (a fuzzy edged point) just.. eat worms and die, here, as..no matter what the numbers say - it’s how you feel that is important. |
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