Tube life


Hey guys/gals, happy Labor Day weekend! Newbie here.  I recently purchased my first piece of tube gear (the McIntosh hybrid integrated). I’m loving it, even with my power hungry Maggies. Anyway, will I notice a marked degradation in sound as the tubes age? Or is it a gradual glide path to less-than-Nirvana  sound? Thanks for your comments! Any suggestions on tubes other than stock? 
jrod68
Darn millercarbon , you can't say stuff I agree with. It is not fair:)


Nor is it easy. What I mean is, tubes vary so much from brand to brand and even tube to tube its very hard to say anything meaningful about them without someone else being able to say something completely different- and both of you be right!

I mean, I used to think tubes were really reliable as maybe only one of probably 30 or 40 had ever really failed on me. Then in short order I had two flare out quite dramatically- and one of them was brand new! 

There really is hardly any difference between tubes, not only between brands but even between certain types. KT88 is better to me than 6550C but not by much. JJ is better than Svetlana but by even less. But I'm comparing relative to something like a $150 Quantum Fuse or $60 set of BDR Cones or even something like running a demagnetizing track through your system. Those range from 3 to 10 times more important than the difference between tubes, which to me makes buying a new set when you already have a set a waste of money. But another guy might think a barely noticeable improvement for $500 is the moon and the stars. So both can be right and it is darn hard to say without being set up either way to get skewered.

So good to know. Thanks.
Since that’s a hybrid amp, I don’t feel you’ll notice the signal tubes degrade as much. 
If it was a complete tube amp, with power tubes, you’d notice a big difference when they degrade. 
I have an old sansui tube amp. When those 7591 power tubes start to go, you really notice. When you replace them it’s like you have a brand new amp. I’d tube roll your signal tubes because their is quite a difference in the sonic signature of those tubes. It’s also a lot of fun. Glad you’re enjoying your new setup. 
I have a Conrad Johnson PV2ar preamp (bought new in 1981), solid state Hafler 100W amp going through Anti-cables to '78 Klipschorns.
Due to the high efficiency of the K-horns, when tubes start to age I can hear it easily....sounds to me like "wind" noise.
When the sound of the wind, sometimes a hum, gets obtrusive I know it's time for a tube change.
Brent Jesse has been my supplier for a number of years now and his advice has always been spot-on regarding the sound of NOS replacement tubes. 
In my case there is a noticeable sound difference between tubes.....nothing overly dramatic, just a sweet richness that varies from brand to brand.
If your system isn't overly sensitive, and the audible tube sound differences are negligible, I would say it doesn't matter...... why spend the extra money on rare tubes?
Right now my only tube piece is my phono amp which uses 6922s.
What I care about most is noise. Roger Modjeski's Tube Audio Store tests all their tubes and hand selects them. They then sell them in grades.  Their Super Low Noise 6922s were embarrassingly quieter than the stock tubes from ARC. I keep the thing on continuously. The tubes are 6 years old and as far as I can tell going strong. I have a spare set of tubes just in case something happens so I will let the working tubes go as far a they can. If you have a tube unit do check Roger's site. Every tube he sent me is dead quiet. The SLN tubes are more expensive and worth every penny.