Jazz for aficionados

I can see right now that people who live in and around New York City, have absolutely no idea what the rest of the country is like. Once upon a time there were cities that had lots of nightclubs that entertained people, cities like Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, and the South Side of Chicago, which was a city unto itself with lots of jazz clubs that no longer exists; while the other half of Chicago is thriving (at least it was the last time I was there) the South Side for the most part no longer exists.

There was nothing I liked better than going to clubs in St. Louis when they existed. It's a daytime tourist thing now in order to still claim that it's a city; you want to go to the zoo or see the arch?


Pjw, I never said anything about "new jazz musicians"; I said "new jazz"; there is a difference.

Buddy Rich was my favorite drummer, and everybody else's favorite drummer in high school, but my tastes have evolved.


"Frankly speaking, how any so called jazz aficionado, could put up a post that subtly or indirectly suggests that Buddy Rich was a sub par jazz musician/drummer is absurd."


Who dat say dat, not me?


there exists absolutely 0 good jazz artists today because their "ears" tell them so, what do you think their reply would be ???

Again, who dat say dat?


I'm looking for "new jazz music"; could you post some?

***** If you asked some of the jazz legends who are still active like Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, Jack De Johnette, Dave Holland, and Chick Corea if there exists absolutely 0 good jazz artists today because their "ears" tell them so, what do you think their reply would be ???*****

I guess your bar for 'Legend' is very low.  If these be legends, what are Armstrong, Ellington, Mingus, Basie, Young, Morgan, Miles, Trane etc....??  I assume you get the drift.

Being a Jazz fan means more than just being able to regurgitate Media hype.   We can all read for ourselves.

Btw, no one said there were 0 good Jazz artist.   The straw-man game has been played and defeated long ago on this thread.

Cheers

roc please....

The legends I mentioned are still alive. You could not ask a dead legend a question. SMH

***** Frankly speaking, how any so called jazz aficionado, could put up a post that subtly or indirectly suggests that Buddy Rich was a sub par jazz musician/drummer is absurd.*****

I am sorry if my statement came across as subtle or indirect, it was not meant to be either.
I said he was a Show-man and a Show-off.  If that's too subtle for you, try this:
He was a noise making loud mouth bully!!   Had no business in Jazz.   A media creation.  Another Maynard Ferguson type.   All show, no substance.   (listen to my high C)   No one, who is serious about Jazz considered him anything other than a lightweight.   That is, except you.

For your information, I don't think any real Jazz fan buys an album based on who the drummer is.  People loved the messengers not for Blakey's drumming, but for the other personnel in the group, who were most often excellent young players.   That is, except you.

Cheers

Wallace Roney 1988:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYhqbouxxBY

Wallace Roney 2019:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNV_eCsZ04o

I could make a list of good jazz artists that are still recording and playing live but it is not my job to use up my time to satisfy people who could get on the internet and do it themselves.

The term "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" applies to a few people on this thread.