JADIS DEFY7, can not get it to sing


Hi
I hope some of you old pros can help answer my,,well lets say help me figure out how to get my Jadis defy 7 to sing. I purchased the amp used (like new, as the seller had a  Jadis JA200 mono blocks laready and the Defy sat quiet, So I bought it in 2008. Months later i purchased a  MINGDA tube pre amp, sounded AWEFUL, Not even close to my jadis Orch reference, KT90's EI tubes, that intergrtaed was really all I needed, i made a  huge costly mistake selling and buying the  DEFY 7, I do believe that w/o a  powerful pre, to DRIVE the FQ's into the Defy, the Defy will not respo9nd. 
The sound is flat, lifeless, no dynamics, The Orch Refer had HUGE sound stage, bass, GORGEOUS life like mids, nice sweet highs. 
I wanted more and bought the Defy,. 
I just had the Defy cked in Baton Rouge, had the KT90's brand new EH tuibes biased . 
I have a  ONKYO preamp arriving next week and am about to buy a  Mitshibushi Pre amp, 
I have a  LITE LS9 , chinese tube preamp, and that pre sounds like the,,no worse than the heftier Ming Da. 
This Lite LS9 is suppose to be a copy of the Jadis 200 pre, It weighs only 7 lbs, the trans is light weight.
I get  the idea the jadis Defy needs a  great hefty powerful prem, which is what folks told me back when i bought it, I did not believe them. 

I am low on  cash and will list the Defy for $3500 and i will pay shipping. 
I will then wait fora  great used Jadis intergrated, say a  DA50.

But I 1st want to try the 2 solid state pres to see if i can get the Defy to wake up.
It I can get some better respose , i may keep it and look for a  good used Audio reserach or a  macnintosh.
I do not have $6K for a jadis pre used. 
My budget is $1K
any help is greatly appreacitaed.
I have the uncredibly  SEAS Thor MTM speakser along with the CAYIN tube cd player with upgraded opamps .
As I say I am very close to selling the hge, hardly used (Like New) amp, due to my doubts that I can get the amp to respond like its tiny brother , The Orch Reference. 
btw I am the one who coined the tag *shootout* wayyyy back in 2000, or 2001 
I stared a  thread of speaker shootouts,,,and based on that long thread, i bought the SEAS THor kits. 
I now see *shoot out* is now the common tag for speaker and stereo components comparison.
My old login was Bartokfan.
Look forward to any suggestions in my dilemma.
paul
new orleans
mozartfan
well i figured why not try to get the amp, pre , cd player up on a  bench , instead of trying to bend over breaking my back, poor eye sight,,all discombobulated,,,so i did just that,,set the Jadis Defy 7 up on a  bench with Lite tube pre Cayin CD player with high end op amps installed,,all i have to do is sway out the chinese 6922 for the Bugle Boys 6922 and hooked the speakers correctly BIWIRED,,,
Found 1 jam cd, (as all my cds are classical) , found a  Tina Marie best hits,,BAMMMM! 
Like majic, 
This Jadis Defy 7 sitting on my shelf now since 2007, is now finally SINGING gorgeous.
UNREAL, Class A sound.
Now all I have to do is upgrade at least 1 cap in my Tghors to the Mundorf silver or Mundorf Supreme and add in a  W22 8 inch 
UNREAL. 
I will now order that cayin Pre amp
Thanks
For all the great tips to help me out..
I will keep posting as changes aere made,,,Tina sounds INCREDIBLE on this Jadis Defy with EH KT90's. Bugle Boys in the 4AX7 and Bugles in the 2 AU7's. 
Tina's voice sounds just LIVE. 
Finally i  can give up my $20 computer speakers listening to past 10 yrs,,,
WOW. 

HOLD ON, SELL is off.
Yep, 
Just purchased the XIANG 728 tube pre, arriving next week, if a  no go, will return and buy a  
LEAF  Audio tube preamp.
Will report back on all the new listening seesions. 
Both pres have dual outs, So I just bought a  10 inch sub cabinet, + a  dyanco 70 watt RMS sub amp + a  excellent Cerwin Vega 10 inch woofer.
will let you guys know how the XIANG SHENG 728 responds. 
My hunch is RETURN and buy the Leaf Audio pre.
paul
new orleans
I am a bit bewildered by all your fast moves but one thing that is driving me crazy. You have a superb amp and finally have heard it sing. And yet you continue to throw a series of cheap nondescript preamps in front of it hoping for good sound. Instead of buying a bunch of different things, subwoofer, sub amp, new speakers, why not invest in a really good preamp?
OK Jon, let me try to explain this story. 
My Jadis Orch Reference delivered INCREDIBLE sound stage/dynamics, (highs a  bit STEELY/harsh, a  bit I said), as the KT90 EI Czech tubes live up to their reputation, BUT could not hold up as reliable,,unless tubes burn out/short after so many hundreds hours,,I used the jadis lightly on sound/only playing orchestra, no rock/jazz. So I could not find budget price EI's,,,, and so decided to sell the Orch , as i came into some $5K , as a  gift,,noted the4 DEFY7 for sale on audiogon, , bought it in 2006/2007,,,everyone on audiogon mentioned I will need a  *good pre*, I felt I could work around that and finda   chinese tube on ebay,,bought a  Ming DA MC7,,,after 1 minutes worth, i knew *huge mis calculation*, dumped that Ming Da at a  big loss, pd $700, sold for $350..That was 2007.
,,yes pass, nearly, or more than a decade, sitting in a  box. 
In 2018 I bought a  Lite LS9, *clone of Jadis pre amp* (??!!! Big fat LIE), finally took both pre and amp to a  tech guy here in new orleans to ck both out,,,1 month later says he had no time to * make repairs on Jadis Defy,* as his *reserach * shows the Defy has *terrible issues and needed major overhall*..I believed him,,at 1st,,then cked out baton rouge's tech studio, found only 1 with great google reviews. Drove up, and had Mark at Advanced Video ck it out,,3 weeks later, says he has it up N running....to my great surprise...got home, hooked her up,,,heard some slight ringing at opening all switches on pre + amp + cd player,,,not sure which had a  slight tiny short,,(I think it is the Lite pre),,,brought back  to Advanced,,Mark says all needs proper grounding and not to worry about the *miniscule at opening ON switchs), I agree, as the muisc plays, hum completely disapperas. 
Now I just bought a Xiang Sheng 728 for $300, which I have option to return. If this Xiang can not deliver at least 20%+ more dynamics , sound stage , make that 30% as the Lite is flat,  and just aweful cheap chinese junk,,,,which i plan to dump on ebay for whatever (pd $700), , I bought also a  Cayin MT35, as i thought I will sell the Defy and go with a  intergrated, WRONG more, as the cayin MT35 is too weak to drive the SEAS Thors. 
So I will dump that at a  huge loss, has 4 EL34's. Same seller as the Xiang Sheng, but can only return the Xiang as it comes from his California wharehouse, the Cayin shipped from china,
Long, too long story,,shortened, is this
My hunch says the Leaf Audio pre on ebay (with 2 solid reviews, both wrote me back and said its a  *solid/good pre). 
That I will return the Xiang and buy the Leaf Audio , its a  Clone of various pres, like has maranzt parts and also ideas based on Audio Reserach. 
Has 2 AU's and 2 AX's. 
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I plan to replace with Bugle Boys and will  bring the Leaf to Mark , see if he can replace the caps with Mundorf, Silver Oil. 
And now this is the end of my journey,,,UNLESS the Leaf does not pass my critical tests,,and I have only  one  other option,,buy the Cayin CS 10 off Ebay, guy says he can let it go for $1800, and will accept return. 
Its a  besat at 50 lbs!!!!, has 4 6922;s. 
But really, don't have $1800+ $100 ship, for at least 6+ months.
If the Leaf is a  flop, and the Xiang is superior, I will repurchase the Xiang and roll the tubes and bring to Mark for upgrades. 
Which he may not agree on, as he says, alot of these so called *upgrades* are *snake oil.* 
He is of the camp, a  good cap is a good cap, no such superior sound witha  $$$$$$ Gold Silver Oil Cap from Mundorf, at least not  to his critcal hearing. 
I may go Mundorf Silver Oil, or Supreme. 
And also will upgrade my Hovalnd caps in Thors to Mundorf Supremes, the C2,C3 and the R2, as per Madisound tech.
I will report back when the Xiang is tested. 
Not even sure if I will need to roll the EH KT90's, to EL34's, as some claim the EL34's are the most muiscal tube around. 
But thats another $$$$$$. 
This hobby can really  get expensive if one is not careful. ...