JADIS DEFY7, can not get it to sing


Hi
I hope some of you old pros can help answer my,,well lets say help me figure out how to get my Jadis defy 7 to sing. I purchased the amp used (like new, as the seller had a  Jadis JA200 mono blocks laready and the Defy sat quiet, So I bought it in 2008. Months later i purchased a  MINGDA tube pre amp, sounded AWEFUL, Not even close to my jadis Orch reference, KT90's EI tubes, that intergrtaed was really all I needed, i made a  huge costly mistake selling and buying the  DEFY 7, I do believe that w/o a  powerful pre, to DRIVE the FQ's into the Defy, the Defy will not respo9nd. 
The sound is flat, lifeless, no dynamics, The Orch Refer had HUGE sound stage, bass, GORGEOUS life like mids, nice sweet highs. 
I wanted more and bought the Defy,. 
I just had the Defy cked in Baton Rouge, had the KT90's brand new EH tuibes biased . 
I have a  ONKYO preamp arriving next week and am about to buy a  Mitshibushi Pre amp, 
I have a  LITE LS9 , chinese tube preamp, and that pre sounds like the,,no worse than the heftier Ming Da. 
This Lite LS9 is suppose to be a copy of the Jadis 200 pre, It weighs only 7 lbs, the trans is light weight.
I get  the idea the jadis Defy needs a  great hefty powerful prem, which is what folks told me back when i bought it, I did not believe them. 

I am low on  cash and will list the Defy for $3500 and i will pay shipping. 
I will then wait fora  great used Jadis intergrated, say a  DA50.

But I 1st want to try the 2 solid state pres to see if i can get the Defy to wake up.
It I can get some better respose , i may keep it and look for a  good used Audio reserach or a  macnintosh.
I do not have $6K for a jadis pre used. 
My budget is $1K
any help is greatly appreacitaed.
I have the uncredibly  SEAS Thor MTM speakser along with the CAYIN tube cd player with upgraded opamps .
As I say I am very close to selling the hge, hardly used (Like New) amp, due to my doubts that I can get the amp to respond like its tiny brother , The Orch Reference. 
btw I am the one who coined the tag *shootout* wayyyy back in 2000, or 2001 
I stared a  thread of speaker shootouts,,,and based on that long thread, i bought the SEAS THor kits. 
I now see *shoot out* is now the common tag for speaker and stereo components comparison.
My old login was Bartokfan.
Look forward to any suggestions in my dilemma.
paul
new orleans
mozartfan
stereo5"I put down the Chinese preamp because it is a cheap imitation, knock off which is probably illegal, nothing more and nothing less. If you can’t see that, then you are blind."

I am not blind my vision and hearing are both exceptional and you’re frequent, repeated, incessant hate filled attacks on Chinese products reflects a deeply rooted prejudice, intolerance, and ignorance of cultures, languages, and practices different from you’re own and if this product is illegal in any way you are free to report it to the relevant authorities for proiper remedial action but of course you will not do that you would rather spread you’re distaste for things Asian hear!

Notice I do not say that those who disagree with me are stupid which is basically what stereo5 uses for reasoning, logic, and argumentation!
stereo5, whatever dude......handbags are an excellent example of copying a design. I see nothing wrong with it. It gives women, and possibly, some men, satisfaction, that they can own a $3500. look alike for under $100. If you look at the parts in this Leaf unit, I would suspect it would cost a few thousand, if it was built here. As far as using many more " smaller sized capacitors ", many designers feel this is superior ( Steve McCormack might have been the 1st to do this, as far as I know ). And copying designs ? Stewart Hegeman; Matti Otala; and a few others, whose circuit designs have been copied, and appeared, in so many American made products. No where in the Leaf ad, does it suggest, it is the equal of the Audio Research LS 22, of which it's circuit was copied. BTW, I have no reason to purchase any amplifier at this time, as I am very happy with the collection I have, specifically, a pair of mono blocks, designed by Hafler, for the movie cinema industry, and I can honestly say, they run my modified Klipsch Lascalas, quite " invisibly ". I did mention I was not fond of McIntosh amps ( solid state, specifically ), that use autoformers. I sold many, and have owned many. However, I did say, I understand why listeners enjoy them, but you still became defensive. And as far as tube preamps....been there, done that. " I " choose to listen to my recordings, unadulterated, non smoothed over, non colored, non editorialized, as this, brings me closer, to what is actually going on, with the musicians, the performers, the producers, and the studio engineers. I gave credit to the listeners, such as yourself, for enjoying tubes, and the Mac amplifiers. You responded hostile, and combative. I do not care if someone stated, that my system was not to their liking ( btw, this has not happened yet, after listening ). My system, is for me, no one else. You are a very angry individual, so it appears, and I am not the only one who sees this. So take care, my friend, and enjoy your system ( s ), as I am happy for you....really......Always, MrD.






































Your love of Chinese knock offs are noted, but they are not for me. The Chinese repeatedly steal US technology by reverse engineering. If you are fine with it, good for you!   If you or your wife is happy with a knock off handbag, that’s great.  I prefer the real thing and won’t support that illegal industry.  What particularly bothers me is the knock off handbags using the exact same label  as the real one.  That is illegal and people who buy that stuff is stealing away sales from the legit manufacturers.  It is the same with counterfeit cables and other accessories. 
I have no problems with legit things made in China like the iPhones and iPads my wife and I both own.  However the clones and knock offs are an entirely different matter.  As long as you people with the clones and knock offs can sleep at night, I say kudos. 
Too late, I can't edit.  You and another individual keep saying I am angry.  Angry about what?    I don't know what I am angry about, so kindly let me know.  I do not like being schooled on audio.  I am old and retired and if you do not like my opinions, that's fine, but there is no anger, unless someone puts Justin Beiber on my stereo.....Then you will know what angry is.
China is FAMOYS for STEALING and COPYINg all sorts of techology, This is a fact. 
But remember China can NOT build a  <<RELIABLE CAR>>> Not in their capacity, China is only good at mass produce, and flimsy made. 
There are rare exceptions to the rule. Seems some german engineersb took their designs to China for build,,I am speaking  of the world class CAYIN units. 
Yes you heard me right CLASS A. 
I'e heard ARC and other USA labs products,,I do not like USA and HATE all/every british stereo/speakers.
I only like french amps (aka Jadis) and danish speakers (AKA SEAS) , all others i have zero interest.
Now back to my Leaf. 
Both ebay buyers wrote  back to me and gave thumbs up, but did not specify and details. 
From looking at the guts of the unit,,she looks likea  winner..especially if i roll the cheap china 6922's for some REAL muiscal 6922's, The amperex, 1960's. + I have options to upgarde the 6 caps to Mundorks Silver Oil ($$$$$, but caps for small =so only $$). That should give the pre extra sublimity in the mids and especially in the high FQ's. 
Again to bring claity, china alone can not build  a  good sounding stereo, Its not in their genes,,but then look at how much garbage came out of britian and also the USA, tons of trash. 
The holders of the mysteries of super high TRUE fidelity in all things stereo, are the french, = aka Jadis. 
The geramn techs with their Cayin are a  very close 2nd, and considering budget, cayin is the best deal, past 20 years and will remain top budget stereo,,Yet the discontinue great products, and leaves the buyer with few choices. 
I'd put my cayin CD17 with new high grade opamps + amperex tubes up to jadis's best $20,000 CD player, and A/B the 2, you might well prefer the Cayin. 
Jadis is rediculous on price tag. 

In 2 weeks, the Leaf comes up for review..
now here is yet another issue.
When I bought the Defy, had brand new (as the seller never used the Defy) 6550/Gold Lion,,I sold those off, (1/2 price retain value) as i felt (???) the KT90 was the best sounding tube,,so i laid out $700 for 12 KT90's. EH..
Could it be possible the EHKT90's are muiscally  trash tubes?
I have no idea. as I can not afford to roll 12 power tubes. Has anyone heard kt90s vs 6550's and can give me some ideas on sonics. 
The EL34's in the Cayin MT35, sock a nice hefty punch in the bass, , mids are rough and highs simply roll off .
The Jadis Orch Refer with EIKT90's (before they shorted out after 4 years/600 hours/give or take)) offered good bass 8/10, great life like vocals/mids 9/10, highs 8/10, sound stage 10/10, life like band playing in your living room dynamics 10/10. yet had a  slight *steely* sound distortion with the EI KT90's. 
= No tube is perfect.

What would be very nice is if i could roll all avaliable power tubes to acheive the sound i am looking for. I listen to classical only, no rock, no jazz.
If anyone knows of the best tube for classial/voice/chorus, please chime in.
I could go KT120;s, , as i think JJ has 120's for $50 each. =doable.