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What is wrong with audiophiles?

Something that has happened countless times happened again last night. Ordinary people over for a party listening to some music easily hear things audiophiles argue endlessly don't even exist. Oh, its worse even than that- they not only easily hear but are stunned and amazed at what they hear. Its absolutely clearly obvious this is not anything they ever were expecting, not anything they can explain- and also is not anything they can deny. Because its so freaking obvious! Happens every time. Then I come on here and read one after another not only saying its impossible, but actually ridiculing people for the audacity of reporting on the existence of reality.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Okay, concrete examples. Easy demos done last night. Cable Elevators, little ceramic insulators, raise cables off the floor. There's four holding each speaker cable up off the floor. Removed them one by one while playing music. Then replaced them. Music playing the whole time. First one came out, instant the cable goes on the floor the guy in the sweet spot says, "OH! WTF!?!?!"

Yeah. Just one. One by one, sound stage just collapses. Put em back, image depth returns.

Another one? Okay.

Element CTS cables have Active Shielding, another easy demo. Unplug, plug back in. Only takes a few seconds. Tuning bullets. Same thing. These are all very easy to demo while the music is playing without interruption. This kills like I don' know how many birds with one stone. Auditory memory? Zero. Change happens real time. Double blind? What could be more double blind than you don't know? Because nobody, not me, not the listener, not one single person in the room, knows exactly when to expect to hear a change- or what change to expect, or even if there would be any change to hear at all. Heck, even I have never sat there while someone did this so even I did not know it was possible to hear just one, or that the change would happen not when the Cable Elevator was removed but when the cable went down on the floor.

We're talking real experience here people. No armchair theorizing. What real people really hear in real time playing real music in a real room.

I could go on. People who get the point will get the point. People who ridicule- ALWAYS without ever bothering to try and hear for themselves!- will continue to hate and argue.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Something almost all audiophiles insist on, its like Dogma 101, you absolutely always must play the same "revealing" track over and over again. Well, I never do this. Used to. Realized pretty quickly though just how boring it is. Ask yourself, which is easier to concentrate on- something new and interesting? Or something repetitive and boring? You know the answer. Its silly even to argue. Every single person in my experience hears just fine without boring them to tears playing the same thing over and over again. Only audiophiles subject themselves to such counterproductive tedium.

What is wrong with audiophiles????
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atdavid
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prof and I are not confused, seem knowledgeable on the topic, and seem to write pretty much exactly the same thing (and both seem to have the same issue with the forum eating paragraph spacing).


All that needs to be tested "Is The Claim", and almost without fail, it is an individual making a claim that They hear something, or a vendor (or audiophile) making a claim that a Specific Group of People can hear something. We are testing their statement of claim, no more, no less, and that does not need random multiple subjects, nor does it even require multiple tests other than enough runs of a single test to rule out random chance.

cleeds2,544 posts11-12-2019 12:12pmIt’s odd how this topic often produces such illogic and convoluted responses.

Do you want to test a listener? Conduct a hearing test. Simple.

Do you want to test a claim, such as the audibility of a fuse? You’ll need multiple subjects in a controlled test and - ideally - multiple tests. Not so simple. That’s science, folks.

clearthink
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atdavid"Wrong Cleeds, And this is why you keep making the same wrong assertions over and over."
"Cleeds" is almost always wrong, mistaken, and incorrect he suffers severe, profound, extreme mental disorders which is why he commented on mental illness in this thread because he is sensitive to this issue. He is uninformed on matters related to audio and Music Reproduction Systems and in fact DOES NOT EVEN own a  Music Reproduction System he's the groups oozing, infected boil.
atdavid
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prof
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Yeesh.

Cleeds, the nature of testing claims, from individual, to groups, to devices, has been clear to some of us all along.

The only reason I jumped in on that subject was due to YOUR writing in a “convoluted” and confusing manner on the subject. You simply did not express yourself well on the subject so we’ve been clearing up ambiguities.

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cleeds
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atdavid
All that needs to be tested "Is The Claim", and almost without fail, it is an individual making a claim that They hear something, or a vendor (or audiophile) making a claim ..
You're still new to the forum, so you can be excused for this misunderstanding. Most claims made here have many users who report hearing similar things. Feel free to peruse the forum yourself to confirm that.

Why would anyone even bother to test the claim of one solitary person making one solitary, hard-to-believe claim? Such a claim is easily ignored unless, that is, you prefer to use it as a basis for lengthy, convoluted circular arguments.
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