Jazz for aficionados

O-10, I suppose it is no surprise, but I could not disagree more with your comment...

**** Old school is the only school", and even you have been confirming this with your posts. ****

Your assessment of the “new” Jazz that I have posted here is your assessment and in no way an indication of any “confirmation” on my part. The first half of your sentence “Old school is the only school” makes my previous point perfectly. This serves as a great segue to my response to you, Alex. That sentence is what I would consider “nonsense” and is along the very same lines as what was the reason for and what I referred to with my previous use of the word “nonsense”. I referred to the assertion that it was “case closed”. Nonsense. Unless there is no possibility of a different viewpoint it is nonsense. Case is not closed.
Now, to your comment, Alex. Don’t be so quick to judge my words to another when your judgment is based on a contradiction.

**** Creative genius...it is definitely the matter of perception and of ones standards ****

If it is, in fact, a matter of personal perception then the case cannot be closed. Don’t you think? That is the contradiction .

**** we are kind of split between the ones who like older stuff more, ****

You make the same mistake that is often made here. Those who like the new stuff, don’t like the old stuff any less.....glass half full. Difference is there is no automatic bias against the new stuff which would be.....glass half empty.

**** still I ve got the feeling that it has not got the ’power’ as ’older’ artists had. ****

That’s the bias.

**** Maybe with time we shall be able to see it better....****

If you truly believe that, then it cannot be case closed. And I do hope you shall be able to see it better.

Regards.

I never thought of 'after the fact' lyrics to Jazz tunes as being 'permanent'.   Just something a singer did to a tune that struck their fancy.   It did not affect the original tune in any way thereafter.

Now, if a tune is written with lyrics, then they are, and will always be, part of the tune.

Cheers

"reality is what is, not what ain't"     I'm still laughing.   Great one.

Frogman, just to make things clear, I do not think that the ’case’ is closed,not from any point of view, just said that I would not dismiss Op’s words as such.

As I said, Woody Allen made a movie about that subject and I tend to agree with his point, that I shared in a clip.
Take a look at it (the movie) and the clip

https://youtu.be/XbkKirBSQnI

Thanks for your clarification, Alex. So, let’s see....

You seem to object to the use of the word “nonsense”. You seem to find it offensive or provocative. Is that it? Allow me to pose this question:

Which is more offensive? To contradict a comment made or belief expressed (mine) in response to an entirely different person’s (pryso) comment with an opposing viewpoint; and then finalizing that opposing viewpoint with “case closed”? Or, for the person who was contradicted (me) to then refer to the comment “case closed”, a comment that leaves no room for discussion or debate, as being nonsense?

Frogman, I look at my record collection and all the money I wasted trying to find something new. The funny thing is, the rich record store owner gave me advice every time I walked into his store, and he made his fortune selling jazz records. He always steered me toward the accepted giants of jazz, but I told him I wanted something "new".

I bought records from him when he sold them on the corner out of a card board box; I still have some of those choice collectors items. Now he's got record stores all over the place (he never quit selling vinyl) Why I didn't take his advice, I don't know, but now I've got a ton of records for "Goodwill".

Maybe I have some of that "new music" you speak of which I will give you for the postage alone.