dissapointed - new LS50w's vs old PioneerFS52's/Luxman R113 - so far Kef's not so great?

may be GIGO.... you didn’t name your source solution. I ran the wired version of the LS50’s and found them quite resolving but if your source detail is mediocre you wont hear what you paid for. They are picky about room placement for bass because they are a ported speaker and won't please a bass head because the driver is too small for bass drum and fender guitar bass playback

No speaker sound ok in a room without room correction. Certainly not if they are standing on a desk and you are sitting close. You will experience this if you put e.g. a Martinlogan Unison in your source chain (ARC room correction - probably the best for small money). The LS50W will shine then. They do need separate subs though. They have nothing of interest to show you below 100Hz. I’m saying this out of experience. Actually I had them sound so good that I’m looking at adding a Ref 3 or Ref 5 to the collection. Very natural. My reference is the ATC 150 ASL

I had both the active and passive on home demo, both broken in by the dealer. Didn’t like either.

First of all cabinet resonance. Boxy sound. Very obvious. Treble. Metallic, raw, unrefined, reminding me of the first CD boomboxes. They also sound a bit mechanical, artificial, digital. Warm midrange but muddled because of bass interference.

The way I got them to sound reasonable: subwoofer, crossover at 70Hz if I remember well. Some room EQ in the app. Much better midrange, good bass this time around and treble sounding a tad warmer. But the box coloration and unrefined treble were still a deal breaker.

I managed to get slightly better results with the passive version and some Dirac which tamed some of the cabinet sound
and bass / midrange issues. But the tweeter is still a cheap and nasty affair that completely ruins the experience.

Didn’t have any bad experience with the tweeter. Actually raised the high frequency level through ARC while I felt the LS50W had too fast roll-off in the highs in my room at a listening distance of 3,5 meters. Otherwise confirm reven6e findings. Naturally this is not a speaker to play very loud.

@audiocanada I would get some isoacoustic stands to place on the desk with the speakers on top of them. I had the LS50s (not LS50W) like that and it was a nice improvement. I know the wireless has DSP but raising of the desktop should make the DSP even better. BTW the isoacoustics were built by some guy at the CBC for studio monitors.

@pokey77 you can get by using the passive LS50's with a $1000 used Peachtree Nova 150 integrated. I think I have the best room for the LS50s. It is small and treated with enough power. Sounds like the rave reviews people write about. I have tried them with separates and it was better (an all Benchmark electronics) but for 1/5th the price the Peachtree was what Darko describes on his web site, an excellent combo.