TT, 12" Tonearm. Who tried and ended up preferring 12" arm?


TT, 12" Tonearm. Who tried and ended up preferring 12" arm?

I don't mean to start a good, better, best, 'here we go again' tech talk about 9/12, that has been covered, and I have been researching.

I am just wondering: Who tried and ended up preferring a 12" arm?

Aside from all other upgrades you probably did at the same time, which could have improved a 9" arm, what about the 12" arm made you stick with it?

I suppose, 'I tried 12" and went back to 9"' would be good to know also

thanks, Elliott

elliottbnewcombjr
Chakster
I do agree with the sentiments of cost of repair for the 101.
Part of the reason I went with a 81.
And a 71 but that’s another story.

However I feel a good working 101 is likely near the Pinnacle of vintage DD table charts and if money was no object or concern I think I would pursue one.

BTW, the plinth on the 81 of mine and the the one the OP has bought is massive and very solid weighing in at about 40lb on its own and is a multiple layer construction.
Will be hard to beat that plinth.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-CL-P2-TT-81-UA-7082-set-AC100V-Free-Shipping-d506/264532995172

Elliott
Too fast. You bought the arm with dead rubber grommet that does not support the counterweight properly, you will have to replace it, the counterweight sag down too much, this is a typical problem for a cheap UA-7045 samples (with this problem they are normally sells as a junk).

Look at the picture in the listing with a side view. When you will move the counterweight away from the arm tower the problem will be increased to much higher degree. This is junk, find someone who can replace the rubber part. I’ve seen many samples of UA-7045 tonearms, now i have 7082, all my samples are perfect, if you want to see what is perfect then look at the original arm (not a repaired one) and compare to yours which is almost fell off.

Someone might tell you it’s normal to have a certain degree down at the counterweight part, but it’s not!

I’m referring to the NOS (never used) sample and the arm pipe is just straight behind the arm tower, no matter where is the counterweight, also even if the additional subweight is address the counterweight part is just straight.

My advice is to put that Shure to the recycle bin and look for a decent Victor X-1IIe or X-1II cartridges for this arm. It will be a killer setup, i know it because i have many.


Chakster
I do agree with the sentiments of cost of repair for the 101.
Part of the reason I went with a 81.
And a 71 but that’s another story.

Sure with shipping cost the repair is about $1400 for me, that's crazy.
TT-81 is step down and i'm pretty sure will be easily beaten by Denon DP-80 


However I feel a good working 101 is likely near the Pinnacle of vintage DD table charts and if money was no object or concern I think I would pursue one.

Only if you have a warranty after repair is done, because if the problem will show up again then you're broke. 


BTW, the plinth on the 81 of mine and the the one the OP has bought is massive and very solid weighing in at about 40lb on its own and is a multiple layer construction. Will be hard to beat that plinth.

Denon DK-300 plinth is the same quality of even better, at least better finishing and a bit better shape in my opinion. Highly recommended. They made version for two arms too. 

I think Denon DP-80 is highly competitive to those Victor top of the line turntables. But i like my Victor TT-101, not decided on plinth yet, too many turntables, i can open a little museum here.  


chakster

I saw that, I shall see how much it sags when it gets here, I had to replace the rubber of my SME 3009.

JVC factory sheet shows the original was never straight

https://audio-heritage.jp/VICTOR/etc/ua-7082.html

looking closely at your new example, it is not perfectly straight

Many JVC arms, birds eye view, the rear portion isn't even a straight line, ....?

I am near NYC if a service center can be recommended.
lewm

thanks for your help.

My notes emphasize the word DOUBLE, i.e. 'Double Bi-Directional Servo'. (my nickname: DBDS) I read about it, only retained that it was the peak of their ideas back then.

I noted only 3 TT have DBDS, TT101, TT81, TT71. I also noted that those motors can be found in QL-10, QL-7, and F6. I can't re-create where I got this from.

If I am wrong about the TT71, I would like to see something from JVC about it.

I am getting the TT81 with this purchase.