CD players = dead?


From an audiophile, sound quality perspective are CD players obsolete? Can a CD player offer better performance than an audio server / streamer? 
madavid0

I have been reading a lot of reviewers lately re-discovering CD playback after getting used to streaming DACs and they all say that they’re surprised at how much more solid the CD’s sound (depending on the quality of CD of course) so no, not dead. Here’s a tip- find an old Sony DVD like the DVP-S 7700 on ebay for less than $100 and you’ll be amazed at how good it sounds. Trust me.

I modded the S7700 for almost 10 years, so I’m very familiar with it. Only mediocre stock, but less than 1 nsec of jitter after my mods. I sold thousands of this popular mod and the mod actually cost more than the transport.

I don’t have the modded Sony anymore because it is not even in the same league as good computer playback from an Off-Ramp 5 or Interchange or reclocking any old transport with my Synchro-Mesh reclocker. These all have jitter in the 8-16psec range at the end of a 4 foot coax cable across 75 ohms. Almost an order of magnitude smaller, and it is clearly audible in the focus and imaging. Jitter is the ONLY thing that matters in a transport, period. There is no other magical fairy dust.

You should experience truly low jitter first. Very few audio companies have mastered truly low jitter in their designs. They often quote "intrinsic jitter" numbers, which are nothing more than the jitter specs on the oscillator. A far cry from the actual jitter you will get at the end of a coax cable across the 75 ohm terminator.

Here is a jitter plot of a typical transport before and after the Synchro-Mesh:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=154408.0

Here is a close-up of the jitter distribution and spectrum:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=157348.0

Steve N.

Empirical Audio

audioengr
Thanks! for sharing a bit of history. Yes, Steve, I can remember seeing ads for your mods to the Sony 7700.  There are a plethora of cd and sacd spinners still in the marketplace that could use "modding".
Happy Listening!
Resurrecting an older thread here as I recently read some information relevant to the discussion. Three months ago, John Darko summarized a recent revenue report from Germany's music industry and he noted that while streaming generates 80% of music industry revenues in the US, it's only 56.4% in Germany. (Germany has about 1/4 the US population.) CD sales are 5% of revenues in the US and 28% of those in Germany. According to recent data from the Recording Industry Association of Japan, physical media accounted for 53.3% of recorded music revenues (no statement about cd vs. vinyl %'s.) Bucking the trend in the US and the UK, revenues from all sources of recorded music increased last year in Japan. So, while most US music consumers are ditching physical media, that trend is not as advanced in all countries. As Luxman is debuting a new line of five new disc spinners this year, they seem confident the Japanese and other markets will continue to support cd/sacd formats.
75% of music sold in Japan are on CD and are still popular in other Euro countries.  New CDP's are still being released.  The latest is from Gryphon.  Good news for me and others who still buy CD's.  The prices continue to fall and many companies continue to release new SACD's.

RE sound quality.  I think the edge still goes to CD's but server / dac tech continues to improve.  Maybe soon.
I look at it this way a format is dying when you can't keep the given player for that format serviced. Vinyl, I can get my 30 y.o. turntable serviced my cd player not so much. With streaming I play the dac until it dies and by then something better and cheaper will be out. I'm not into the best format sound wise just content wise