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Phono Preamp Tube Rush

Is there such a thing as a tube phono stage that doesn't have tube rush? Is it just an inherent weakness of that type of pre or is it some combination of cartridge gain and preamp gain? I went from a silent solid state ASR Basis Exclusive to a Herron VTPH-2A (new home with space limitations) and now I'm using a Hagerman Trumpet with my Decca London Super Gold. Both the Herron and Hagerman have tube rush. The Hagerman beats the Herron in my setup and it really sounds incredible but in quiet passages and between songs, there's that hiss at high-medium and high volume. It's just there. No combination of new tubes, new cables, etc changes this fact. Same with the Herron. Anyone having a different experience with a tube phono preamp?
dhcod
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tomic601
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I have a Herron on order so I certainly appreciate this so far civil thread. Keith has been wonderful to work with and answers the phone.
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Agree completely with the several posts above this one.  I do find the science and psychology of my own perception interesting.  

@lewm   Agreed, that being honest with ourselves is not always the easy path.  I'd rather be happy than right.  Open-mindedness and honesty takes one far in this hobby I'm finding - or in life for that matter.
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An open mind and a test disc w spl meter :-)
dhcod OP
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I change something and if in a couple weeks i want to go to bed at night instead of listening, the change was bad.
elliottbnewcombjr
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dammmmmm audiophiles!!!!!. Please take this out of my mind.

I didn’t know about this, have never heard it, and now it is in my mind that I just haven’t been paying attention. I’ll listen tonight, better not hear anything.

I had my new dual arm tt CRANKED last night. 3 guitarists, Euryhmics, Michael Jackson Thriller, test record musical/imaging tracks, Stereo, Mono, ....

I heard some static between tracks, nothing else. I gotta get a fresh copy of that Eurythmics album, perhaps Valentine’s Day.

Fisher 80Z Mono Blocks; Fisher 500C; Fisher 800 (500c + am); now wonderful McIntosh mx110z (2 MM Phono inputs); My friends never push their system like I do, their speakers are not as efficient as mine, over 100db/1w/1m.
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Is this perhaps related to volume factors?

1. efficient speakers get loud before excess power needed by inefficient speakers, thus the ’rush’ doesn’t occur. Inefficient speakers get you into the 'rush' zone.

2. Low Output MC Cartridges, require more volume than MM cartridges that I use.

3. the combination of inefficient speakers and low output cartridges.

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