Erik Y U Gotta Hate!

timlub
there are plenty of brands that I don’t love.

Do/would you, go out of your way, to single out and start (quite a few now) degrading threads on a manufacturer you don’t like??, like he does with Pass Labs?

To this date Nelson Pass is one of the heralded and praised audio designers this world has known.

I don’t like the "sound of Mosfets" and his later Mosfet designs (understand, Mosfets are much more bomb/idiot proof).
I much prefer his earlier Bi-Polar designs that had far more current available (but can go Chernobyl), but I appreciate totally what he does with the Mosfets.

He’s always used low feedback and sometimes only "local" not "global" feedback in his designs, that’s why he doesn’t get the 0.0001% distortion figures, that "others" get only because of **** loads of feedback around their amps.

Cheers George

distortion figures can teach us some things but not everything (don't forget slew rate, noise floor, current capability, crosstalk, EMI/RF rejection, power supply ripple rejection, etc);

I've had my share of amps with low to super low distortion figures (and in the case of the Benchmark amp significantly!) on the test bench when subjected to single frequency sine waves, and each has a sonic signature; 
In the final analysis, though, the one that really ought to matter, is: does it sound like the real thing with your system gear? Does it tend to make you want to turn up the volume because you can't wipe the smile off your face and you need more? Does it help you forget that you are listening to electronics? Does it speak to you emotionally? Pass is at least one amplifier manufacturer that has gotten this way right; They are popular for a reason!
Pass for President! (ok sorry for that, lol)

Who cares what Erik likes or doesnt like? By responding to his posts you may be giving him much more credence than he deserves. If you anticipate a trollish post then ignore him. Just like the Klipsch fanboys should ignore my Klipsch posts which are almost always negative. This country is turning into a bunch of p*ssies!

For the record I liked my Pass 30.8 and absolutely hated my First Watt. But I do have a few criticisms of the Pass .8 series "house" sound. The only amp design I cant fault, assuming you have the correct speaker load, are OTLs. 

I cant imagine what would happen with a few of you if someone gave you something really significant to complain about.

@georgehifi  hey George we have agreed in the past about bi-polar trnasistors and the negative feedback.  My partner and I have our own product line out and we have been repairing audio components for some time now.  A lot of older products especially Counterpoint, Melos, CJ, etc.  We have our own stereo hybrid amp coming out soon.  We recently just added a little feedback which helps to make the amplifiers more stable with bias.  We also gained a little more umph in the bass area bu doing so.

So what does this have to do with this thread, well there are a few Audiogoners who recently have been coming up with thread after thread of to me just nonsense, seemingly to just get others to reply.  But overall they have little experience in how audio products work.  I find it hard to learn anything from them and especially knowing why things sound the way they do and how they work.  I also find reviews a waste of time because they seem limited to the same type of manufactured product.  Most do not know why something seemingly sounds better that anther.  Ass for Class D amps, I am willing to do comparisons to prove why they sound good but are really nothing that special so far to my ears.

Happy Listening.

Where's Eric and Troy when you need them?