The “They are here” vs “You are there” sound topic


Hi all,

I want to start a topic about the “They are here” vs “You are there” type of sound. I have read that different audiophiles usually fall in one of either categories, but what does it actually mean? So here a few questions:

- what is the definition of “They are here” vs “You are there” in your opinion?
- what is the main difference in sound? E.g. soundstage
- which kind of sound do you prefer?
- which type of speakers fall in one or the other category in your opinion?
- what type of sources, amplifiers or even cables fall in one or the other category in your opinion?

For instance, I believe the Esoteric products from Japan fall in the they are here type of sound. Do you feel the same?
128x128richardhk
@maghister, Yes, I did indeed neglect to mention the 'mechanical' through oversight. I have a digital, ss system and found an excellent mechanical solution some time ago that works so well that I rarely give it any more thought, so it slipped my mind here. But, for others, particularly using tubes/vinyl, it may be a key piece, as you rightly say.
1. You are there is when the recording environment is reproduced (or the Illusion thereof).   2. They are here is when the recording is very dry and you hear nothing but the instruments and voices as if they were in your living room. Only the living room provides any ambience. THIS is what I prefer.  I do not want to hear an acoustic guitar as if it was recorded in a church (whether that is actually the case or a simulation).  I want to hear that guitar as if it is actually in my living room. 

As for speakers.  Well in my opinion British monitors say from ProAc or Rogers, Celestion etc give me the You are there experience.   Klipsch Legacy speakers give me more of a They are here experience. 

I really do not like much if any reverb, natural or artificial. 
I am you and you are me and we are all together. We are the Eggmen. 🥚 🥚 🥚 I am the Eggman. 🥚