Thiel Owners

Mr, Tom Thiel
Thank you for giving your time to all of us Thiel owners 
and a special Thank You for sharing a few of your lifes experiences .
Happy Friday
Rob 

vair68robert,

Thanks for the suggestion about making DIY cables from the Cardas 9.5 gauge chassis wire. Your thoughts are interesting about how Cardas' "golden ratio" designs may be affecting what you hear from the cables you've tried.

I'm also wondering about the audio effects of Cardas' use of "matched propagation" in their newer cables to match the speed of the conductors and dielectrics. Maybe this type of construction matters or maybe it's mainly marketing hype - I don't know enough to have an informed opinion. How is the chassis wire constructed?

sdl4

If you look at the Cardas Audio website then Beyond Clear
you'll see 4 X 9.5 awg , the chassis wire is 1 of those (9 different guages)
without the 2 layers of shielding .
If you decide to try you'll need the following tools
wire stripper , crimping tool , solder pot , solder iron and heat gun .

I completed mine about 10 daysago and are now broken in.
I have found it hard not to express my enthusiasm over these 
since every day, every album I am enjoying them like hearing them for the first time , to me this was one of those changes that turned into 
a  "Hey Hey" & "Holy Cow" moment vs. just a "that sounds better" one .

The Parsec cable that you said you could afford 
uses 2 X 15.5 awg wires = 12 awg , the same as my first set of Quadlink,
As far as the match propagation ,
I'm sure there is something to it but how much ?  

For the cost it's definatly something to think about ,
especially with your required length .

Rob 

Rob,

Thanks for the additional info on the Cardas cables, but I'm still a little confused. Looking at the Cardas website and a 2019 Cardas catalog I have, it looks like the Parsec speaker cable is made of 4 X 15.5 AWG conductors in a star-quad arrangement rather than 2 X 15.5 AWG. Also, the Clear Beyond is listed as 8 X 10.5 in the catalog and 8 X 9.5 on the website. Not a big deal, I guess, but still confusing. Both sources make it clear that the chassis wire is Litz wire with individual strands coated with enamel. Did you have to deal with the enamel in any special way when you terminated the wires or does the solder take care of it?

sdl4

 the Parsec is 4 , 2 for each polarity ( Quad link )
Go to Cardas look at the picture of the Parsec speaker cable ,
they show one side single ended , you'll see a twisted pair 
of wires going to a spade connector for each polarity ,
then look at the other end , 4 wires ( bi-wired ) that are straight 
or a single wire .
I can't explain the error in the catalog , 
Cardas uses 15.5 , 11.5 and 9.5 awg , but since your question 
I discovered that they a have 6.5 awg used in Clear only .

Call or e-mail Cardas ,
Start a forum question to see if anybody made a lateral move 
by going from Quadlink or Golden Reference 
to Parsec or Clear Reflection , the only difference being the 
patented Matched Propagation .

Yes there is a special way , that is why a solder pot is needed ,
check out Cardas video .

Contact Michael Percy Audio for cable and connectors ,
he might prepare the cable ends for you so you wouildn't have to 
purchase a solder pot and solder bar ( you can't use solder wire in it ) 

I'm sure this is boring others 
so you can e-mail me at  rsr921@live.com

Rob