Jazz for aficionados

It's amazing how this music became a part of my life, it was the backdrop to places and events, like the soundtrack to a movie, the movie of my life. Let me explain; while other people bought a record and played it on their record player, I put a quarter in the jukebox.

I went from one lounge to the next in 72; there was a lot going on in my city, and I didn't want to miss anything. It's funny how I didn't have to take "Manu Dibango" with me, he was waiting at each lounge I went to.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWK_Josc0Og



From one event to the next, from one barmaid to the next; that's the way I rolled at that time and I met Manu Dibango at each pit stop along the way; youth must be enjoyed and savored, not wasted, and I have the memory of Manu Dibango's spirit and music enjoying those times with me.

Rok, I am not in the mood for bickering, but I am always in the mood for dialogue for the the sake of clarity and hopefully progress in understanding points of view.

As I said, I do agree with the general sentiment expressed in cgoodwin’s post: “Jazz is a living, breathing art form”. This is my viewpoint and I have no expectation that anyone else will feel the same way. First, as I have said several times before I have trouble with the word and description “aficionado”. I’m not sure what it means and it is way too easy to hide behind that banner when none of us here can live up to the complete definition of the word. Fan? Avid fan? Sure. Aficionado? For some reason the word always conjures up visions of Hugh Hefner in a silk robe and pipe listening to his hi-fi. Call me weird. There’s way too much that all of us don’t really understand about this great music. Personal taste and preferences are not knowledge and understanding. Now, your diatribe:

“Facts“? ....right. “in some circles”? Not a chance; you need more than one to make a circle. To not recognize what a contribution Corea has made to the music as composer, never mind as player, only makes cgoodwin’s point. Name me one tune written by McBride that has become a Jazz standard. Corea has several. Name me one bass player that names McBride as an important influence. The list for Corea is very long. As I said before, McBride is a great player; but, really?

As always, I don’t care that you don’t like (mostly) the new stuff. What I do care about and find ironic and unfortunate is that you claim to be such a purist and “keeper of the flame” and yet, when someone who clearly states “I love the old stuff” and goes to the trouble of posting here for the first time you attack instead of being welcoming and encouraging more involvement. Mind you, he probably could have been more tactful, but hey....what is it they say, “the pot calling the kettle black”? 😄
See, had you left me out of it as is appropriate you would have spared yourself (and me) all this 😊

Be well and stay healthy.

Btw, always sad to hear of someone’s passing and probably in bad taste to say anything remotely negative about someone who has just passed, but to add to my point about “facts”, “old vs new” and “personal taste vs understanding”, I notice the headline of the article about Dibango refers to him as “Saxophone great...”.....I’ll stop there.

 First, as I have said several times before, I have trouble with the word and description “aficionado”.

Most of us here use the term as a form of self-mocking.   Making fun of ourselves.  No one takes it serious.   At least I assumed no one did / does.

To not recognize what a contribution Corea has made to the music as composer, never mind as player, only makes cgoodwin’s point.

Back in my LP days, I think Corea played with a group, can't remember who.  Anyway, I put him / them in the fusion crowd.  I have 3 CDs by Corea, all had rave reviews, I never listen to any of them.  In fact I don't even remember playing them just to post here.  I didn't mention him because I don't like his style.   For some reason I think of folks like Jarrett and DeJohnette.   Not really my thing.   If was not a scientific thing.

 you claim to be such a purist and “keeper of the flame” and yet, when someone who clearly states “I love the old stuff” and goes to the trouble of posting here for the first time you attack instead of being welcoming and encouraging more involvement.

I like the music because of the history.  I don't separate the two.   I don't consider any of it 'old'.   I always, or nearly always speak of the music and the players in the present tense. I am not a 'purist'.  A post of Mingus and one of Elmore James are both fine with me.  However, I will speak up when someone shows disrespect to the people who made and played  this great music.   And disrespect takes many forms.   Btw, EVERYONE who posts on this thread, has probably forgotten more about Jazz than I will ever know.   Hardly a keeper of the flame.

First Time Posters:

It's best get off on the right foot.  He displayed an 'audiophile' attitude.   A drive by shooter.   Makes an outrageous comment and you never hear from him again.  If you were making your first post to this thread, would that have been it?

Dibango:

Never heard of him.   His 'greatest hit' did nothing for me.  The Frogman's first law applies.   Btw, they played that tune on the French News tonight when announced his death.   I don't get it.

Cheers

On page 422, Cgoodwin tells us that we can not call ourselves "jazz aficionados" if you can’t even list artists from this century. You, Frogman, have trouble with the word and description.

First, you and Cgoodwin should reconcile your differences in regard to the word "Aficionado". Shortly after this thread began you had a problem with the word and I suggested you start a thread of your own and name it whatever you like.

That was then; you have contributed a lot to this thread and I’m not suggesting that now, but if you have a problem with the title of the thread, I can’t think of anything else for you to do. Maybe you and Cgoodwin could come up with something more constructive than this thread.

Since the dictionary has no problem defining the word, I don’t know why you have such a problem understanding that definition.

This thread has gone on for years accommodating not only different tastes in jazz, but even different genres of music. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it; that’s my motto. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen; that’s another one of my mottos. If you don’t like what’s going on on this thread, find one that suits you (I just made that one up) not really, this is not the first time and it won't be the last time; it's kind of like a marriage.

Frogman, I can not count the times you referred to someone as great, and I disagreed with you but let it slide; that’s not even worth mentioning in my opinion.

In conclusion "Soul Makossa" really floated my boat, and I dropped a quarter in the jukebox to hear it in every lounge I went to when it was popular. That was the way I rolled, and I didn’t ask anybody’s permission then, nor am I asking it now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWK_Josc0Og

Here's a toast to you Adele wherever you are; "Manu Dibango" really rocked our boats.