Speakers that sound great in terrible rooms


I remember running into an audiophile who refused to consider anything about room acoustics. He bought speakers specifically for live, untreated rooms.

Anyone else? What was your solution?
erik_squires
@alymere

I am very sad to say I never met the man in person. As I noted elsewhere, his work has been with me in some form or another for a very long time. More recently I liked going to his website, trying to understand his views of a Duelund crossover, as well as his work on measuring just how quickly thermal compression happens in a tweeter, and then he was retired, and soon after gone.


....and I lived in Corte Madera for awhile...and was totally clueless at the time....

Missed opportunities.....

Hell, he may have been the guy yelling at me from his car that my 2 stroke Yamaha RD-350 was too loud!

(....the fact that we were approaching a right turn with a merge, with him on the 'inside' and next to me was more of a concern at the time....and a tight left after....  Survival supersedes Subtleness, frankly.... )


Tam Drive, approaching the 'S' @ the intersection w/CM...

Used to ride that into and back from work in Sausalito....back when it was non-burb'ed.....
That audiophile might had some bad experience with damping materials/panels since lot of them have not full-range damping character so they will affect frequency spectrum like a badly used equaliser or for example DSPs can cause audible ringing, "euphoria" or loss of low frequency details in the music without proper use.

I don’t think he is right when refuse room correction, no other way to solve acoustic problems because of the following reasons, IMO.

If you measure acoustic of a room you will find 12-15 dB amplification/attenuation on some low frequencies coming from the speaker position and the size of the room. You can use bass traps (looks not too pretty in a living room) or digital equaliser like Allo USBridge Signature which is a streamer/DSP for 300$. It can solve bad room problem at low frequencies but a good speaker itself does not, since room self frequencies coming from the room size, for example the average 2.7m room height cause a standing wave around 63Hz. (voice speed in air about 340m/s, 2.7m is the half size of the 63Hz wave).

Other problem is speakers are not linear in full range, it is true for the best designs as well, so digital equaliser improve performance for all speakers. With good speakers it is possible to equalise flat sound character between 20-20000Hz, if you give up some power.

Third is the room ringing time/reflections. It is something what you can might solve with directional speakers partially, but for good result you need some (full range, except low frequencies) damping material. Damping panels will not destroy the audio quality if they have proper characteristic. I have only 4+1 nice looking panels (plus carpet) for very few money and it solves most of the problems. If I move speakers from the damping panels (reflection) area, vocals become "singing in a bathroom", difference is clear and huge.

Theoretically Kii Audio speakers can be a way against "bad rooms" but they use internal DSP as well and they are not cheap.

I get the entire room treatment thingie but if your components cannot product the correct tone (such as piano, sax, violin), dynamics, dimension, clarity, details, etc, then IMO the room has less of an impact.  For example, old 70's box speakers may have less interaction with a room as they are usually sweet in the mids, slightly boomy in the bass region and slightly less open in the top end.

Happy Listening.