Speakers that sound great in terrible rooms

Heaudio123 wrote: " I would argue that unless the speaker has poor/uneven off-axis response, then it is the room..."

Totally agree!!

Heaudio123: "...and I don’t agree with your argument about Omnidirectionals amplifying room irregularity, as they actually have the opposite effect."

My wording was obviously poor; I am NOT arguing that omnis amplify room irregularities! Quite the opposite in fact. Here is what I should have said:

IF room irregularity was the problem THEN omnis would be a bad choice for "problematic" rooms; but omnis are clearly NOT a bad choice for such rooms, thus we can conclude that room irregularity is not the problem.

(In terms of syllogistic logic, my argument takes this form: "If A then B; not B, therefore not A".)

Having hopefully cleared up the above-mentioned poor communication on my part, I agree with pretty much everything else you have posted in this thread. In particular you mentioned line source speakers... ime the 45-degree-pattern SoundLab fullrange electrostats work extremely well in problematic rooms, given sufficient distance to the wall behind them.

Duke

"If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying hard enough." - Gene LeBell (off topic, but he’s the old guy who choked out Steven Seagal. Twice. In the same day.) 

That bit of trivia just made my day.

Thanks Duke! I always enjoy (and more importantly, learn something from) your posts.

@nonoise wrote: " That bit of trivia just made my day. "

[Way off topic] As it was related to me:

Some of Gene LeBell’s judo students were doing stunt work for a Steven Seagal movie. Gene was there and objected to one particular stunt on the grounds that it was too dangerous. Seagal suggested that if Gene’s students weren’t tough enough to take the falls, then he’d find others who were. Pleasantries were exchanged, including opinions as to who could kick who’s @$$.

At some point Gene decided that further discourse was likely to be inconclusive, so he took Seagal down and choked him out.

Upon regaining consciousness, Seagal protested that that had been unfair because "I wasn’t ready." Whereupon Gene replied, "Are you ready now?" and took him down again, this time choking Seagal to the point of soiling himself.

I presume there was no more filming that day.

Anyway there was a lawsuit and a settlement and Gene is not allowed to comment on the alleged incident. [/way off topic]

Duke

@audiokinesis ,

That reminds me of the scene from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, where Brad Pitt (a stuntman) and Bruce Lee have this exchange that leads to something similar. Definitely worth seeing just for that moment alone. 

It's rare that a scene can make me laugh out loud, twice.

All the best,
Nonoise