Hear my Cartridges....🎶


Many Forums have a 'Show your Turntables' Thread or 'Show your Cartridges' Thread but that's just 'eye-candy'.... These days, it's possible to see and HEAR your turntables/arms and cartridges via YouTube videos.
Peter Breuninger does it on his AV Showrooms Site and Michael Fremer does it with high-res digital files made from his analogue front ends.
Now Fremer claims that the 'sound' on his high-res digital files captures the complex, ephemeral nuances and differences that he hears directly from the analogue equipment in his room.
That may well be....when he plays it through the rest of his high-end setup 😎
But when I play his files through my humble iMac speakers or even worse.....my iPad speakers.....they sound no more convincing than the YouTube videos produced by Breuninger.
Of course YouTube videos struggle to capture 'soundstage' (side to side and front to back) and obviously can't reproduce the effects of the lowest octaves out of subwoofers.....but.....they can sometimes give a reasonably accurate IMPRESSION of the overall sound of a system.

With that in mind.....see if any of you can distinguish the differences between some of my vintage (and modern) cartridges.
VICTOR X1
This cartridge is the pinnacle of the Victor MM designs and has a Shibata stylus on a beryllium cantilever. Almost impossible to find these days with its original Victor stylus assembly but if you are lucky enough to do so.....be prepared to pay over US$1000.....🤪
VICTOR 4MD-X1
This cartridge is down the ladder from the X1 but still has a Shibata stylus (don't know if the cantilever is beryllium?)
This cartridge was designed for 4-Channel reproduction and so has a wide frequency response 10Hz-60KHz.
Easier to find than the X1 but a lot cheaper (I got this one for US$130).
AUDIO TECHNICA AT ML180 OCC
Top of the line MM cartridge from Audio Technica with Microline Stylus on Gold-Plated Boron Tube cantilever.
Expensive if you can find one....think US$1000.

I will be interested if people can hear any differences in these three vintage MM cartridges....
Then I might post some vintage MMs against vintage and MODERN LOMC cartridges.....🤗
128x128halcro
In my last Post, I mentioned the fact that I couldn't hear the subway trains under Kings Hall on the Tchaikovsky with either my iPad or Computer speakers.....hardly surprising 🥴
In the meantime I managed to playback the YouTube Video through my actual system and could HEAR the subway trains....🤗

So I thought it might be revealing to hear the differences between the 1st Generation Youtube Video of the actual VINYL with the Youtube recording of the YouTube Video.....🤔
I can hear significant losses......

1ST GENERATION YOUTUBE VIDEO

2ND GENERATION YOUTUBE VIDEO  
Those who have been following this Thread, will know that I’ve been advocating the great sound available from some of the best vintage MM Cartridges from the Golden Age of Analogue.
Let's try this Shoot-Out....

VINTAGE VICTOR X1II MM CARTRIDGE

AS PALLADIAN LOMC CARTRIDGE

AS PALLADIAN LOMC CARTRIDGE

VINTAGE VICTOR X-1II MM CARTRIDGE

One thing I’ve learnt for sure.......those Victor Engineers in Japan, we will never see the likes of again 😢


Good to see you back, Halcro. First, I hope that you and yours are well and staying healthy during this crazy time we are all living through.

Interesting cartridge comparison as always. Stunning playing by Stern and, as usual, your system sounds fabulous (with the Victors; but, with a very strong caveat). I will offer two observations that may or may not be related; although I suspect that they are. I hesitated to point these out, but it really makes a fair comparison impossible for me.

You have treated us to the sound of your TW Acustic Raven several times previously and while its beautiful sound has shown some qualities that in comparison to the Victor’s direct drive design could be attributed to its belt drive design never did I hear anything that I would describe as speed instability of any kind (however subtle). Admittedly, sustained piano notes as in the Bloch’s introduction are a brutal test for any turntable. However, in comparison to the Victor turntable’s rock solid speed stability the Raven shows a subtle pitch waver in the sustained piano notes. More importantly and re my comment about another possibly related observation is the fact that the Raven is running a full semitone (half step) too fast; not a small deviation. This changes the key of both the Bloch and Armatrading selections (semitone higher). Could all this point to a problem with the Raven’s drive system?

Warm regards.






I prefer the DD rendition of both pieces. Admittedly, there is a little more euphony with the Raven but I prefer the cleaner and crisper Victor. Frogman’s astute observation is of note too. I wonder if this is why the LDR never quite sounded 100% on the Raven-something I have pointed out before. Interesting...
Also interesting because I never noticed the Raven’s faster speed in prior comparisons.  Did something change?  One semitone equals a big difference in speed; about 6%!Â