Hear my Cartridges....🎶


Many Forums have a 'Show your Turntables' Thread or 'Show your Cartridges' Thread but that's just 'eye-candy'.... These days, it's possible to see and HEAR your turntables/arms and cartridges via YouTube videos.
Peter Breuninger does it on his AV Showrooms Site and Michael Fremer does it with high-res digital files made from his analogue front ends.
Now Fremer claims that the 'sound' on his high-res digital files captures the complex, ephemeral nuances and differences that he hears directly from the analogue equipment in his room.
That may well be....when he plays it through the rest of his high-end setup 😎
But when I play his files through my humble iMac speakers or even worse.....my iPad speakers.....they sound no more convincing than the YouTube videos produced by Breuninger.
Of course YouTube videos struggle to capture 'soundstage' (side to side and front to back) and obviously can't reproduce the effects of the lowest octaves out of subwoofers.....but.....they can sometimes give a reasonably accurate IMPRESSION of the overall sound of a system.

With that in mind.....see if any of you can distinguish the differences between some of my vintage (and modern) cartridges.
VICTOR X1
This cartridge is the pinnacle of the Victor MM designs and has a Shibata stylus on a beryllium cantilever. Almost impossible to find these days with its original Victor stylus assembly but if you are lucky enough to do so.....be prepared to pay over US$1000.....🤪
VICTOR 4MD-X1
This cartridge is down the ladder from the X1 but still has a Shibata stylus (don't know if the cantilever is beryllium?)
This cartridge was designed for 4-Channel reproduction and so has a wide frequency response 10Hz-60KHz.
Easier to find than the X1 but a lot cheaper (I got this one for US$130).
AUDIO TECHNICA AT ML180 OCC
Top of the line MM cartridge from Audio Technica with Microline Stylus on Gold-Plated Boron Tube cantilever.
Expensive if you can find one....think US$1000.

I will be interested if people can hear any differences in these three vintage MM cartridges....
Then I might post some vintage MMs against vintage and MODERN LOMC cartridges.....🤗
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@chakster 
I guess my AT-ML180 ofc may be Boron. It’s gold plated.

But if you look at the first and second comments Chakster made at the beginning of this. He says the occ comes with gold plated beryllium cantilever. And the ofc is gold plated boron pipe. According to him they are both gold plated. The ofc is the earlier version so I assumed it would be the beryllium and the occ being later would probably be boron. Wasn’t beryllium phased out in the years the occ was available?
@halcro 
 I meant to put your name on my previous post too. Also, how did your AT-ML180 hold up in comparison to the  other cartridges compared? 
I listened again on my all tube/Spendor/REL S30 rig. Amazing how it now sounds so more like a recording in free space compared to my headphones. I'm sure I heard your dog bark. I am convinced the Raven adds a golden warmth to the reproduction. There is also a thickening in the upper bass and lower mids. You played the AS on your SAEC arm in 2019, and it doesn't have that sound on the Victor. I also heard an album I know intimately on a Raven (Basis table?) at AXPONA '19 and that aspect was there then too. So, I can't be certain how the actual cartridges perform in their own right. 
I listened again on my all tube/Spendor/REL S30 rig. Amazing how it now sounds so more like a recording in free space compared to my headphones.
Yes....I much prefer hearing the 'air', 'soundstage' and 'instrument locations' provided by speakers over headphones 🤩
I am convinced the Raven adds a golden warmth to the reproduction.
I've always stated that the Belt-Drive Raven projects a more relaxed and somewhat less analytical interpretation than the DD Victor....and that's not surprising.
"Golden warmth" sounds quite inviting....🤗

All the early recordings with the Palladian were done when it was mounted on the SAEC Arm on the Victor.
Dover then suggested it be moved to the Palladian as he felt it wasn't quite optimised on the WE-8000/ST....
We then did a comparison which concluded that the Palladian on the Raven was indeed better than on the Victor.
Here they are again.....

PALLADIAN ON VICTOR TT-101

PALLADIAN ON RAVEN

Whilst you have, admittedly...always expressed reservations about the Raven's abilities vis-a-vis the Victor......it has never stopped Frogman from choosing his 'favourite' LDR played on the Raven.
Nor has it hindered his appreciation for the Palladian when mounted on either table.

I appreciate your sensibilities and preferences are perhaps more 'acute' in certain respects than for me or Frogman....
And that's fine. As Frogman says..."Vive la difference!!"

What I find encouraging about your particular preferences, is that the humble 35 year-old MM Victor X-1II competes with a $10,000 LOMC cartridge.....and comes out on top 🎉
In some ways, I agree with you 🤯

Thanks for your contributions.
I’ve had many people contact me asking where they can find a VICTOR X-1II?
The bad news is........you probably can’t 😢
Even if you do.....it will probably have a damaged or missing stylus.
If you’re patient enough to wait 2-3 years....you might get lucky to see one advertised on Japan Yahoo with a good stylus (like I did).
Some more bad news......
You’ll have to outlay north of $1000+ to win it at auction.
Same goes for the VICTOR X-1 and X-1IIE 

I don’t understand why.....but Jico do not produce a SAS replacement styli for the X-1 variants.
They DO however produce SAS STYLI replacements for the VICTOR Z-1 model.
And the Z-1 Cartridges are way more plentiful and CHEAP 🎉
Find one without a stylus for $40....add a brand new Jico SAS for $250 and for less than $300, you will have a cartridge better than any modern current-production MM up to $1000 and beyond.

Let’s see what the listening panel thinks....🧐

VICTOR Z-1/SAS MM CARTRIDGE

VICTOR Z-1/SAS MM CARTRIDGE