Cross-talk and distortion, chief soundstage contributors...


In my continuing effort to learn about the "chemistry" of sound, I have recently been informed that it is significantly low (vanishing) distortion and avoiding crosstalk that supply the key sonic elements for deep, broad, tall, etc. soundstage... this, of course, is independent of speakers, pre-amp, cables, etc. I'm focusing on the amplifier, alone... Again, the issue here are the fundamental (amplifier) qualities involved in soundstage. Can anyone add some dimension to what I'm learning in this...

Thanks in advance,
listening99
Erik is 100% right .. it's the room.

Um, hello??
I'm focusing on the amplifier, alone... Again, the issue here are the fundamental (amplifier) qualities involved in soundstage. 

OP specifically indicated amplifier qualities involved in soundstage. Amplifier. Not room. Not speakers. Amplifier.

Erik is 100% right only if the question is focusing on the room alone. Then he would be right. Room. Amp. Two different things. If you can't tell the difference maybe read more, post less?

So anyway, amplifiers. Sound stage. We've eliminated crosstalk as a factor. What's left?

Well, not much, at least not if you're talking things that can be measured. Distortion doesn't matter. Plenty of amps with high distortion that image better than amps with measurably lower distortion. So we can throw that one out. S/N, dynamic range, hard to think of anything we can measure that would work as a reliable indicator of an amps ability to throw a palpably wide and deep stage.

That's the problem, listening99, audio always leaps in one fell swoop into areas where it becomes painfully obvious measurements are weak at best. More likely to lead you astray than where you want to be.

Amplifiers that throw a stage that is wide and deep and layered are wonderful. If that's what you want then I suggest you seek out amplifiers listeners have described as throwing a wide, deep, and layered stage.

Yes it really is that simple.

If we ignore the "chemistry" of sound, and focus on 1 component alone, then yes kind of sort of.

Truthfully you don't need perfect crosstalk. Look at how poor LPs are compared to CD's and they can image wonderfully.  I think about -60 dB in the midrange is a great number. 

Same for distortion, lots of tube amps have relatively high distortion and image great. :)

So, yes, you can built a crappy amp with high cross talk and so much distortion you can't listen to it, but that only goes so far.

But in today's market, with many good amps measuring well in both dimensions, the room and speaker integration are FAR more important areas of focus to me.

Best,
E
And, don't forget about harmonic distortion.-Especially odd and even ordered harmonics, which the human ear can distinguish and play a role in how the sound of the amplifier is perceived.
Bob
Interchannel crosstalk:  the TOTAL amount  two channels are crossed.

vs

Channel separation: where they are NOT crossed at all.

vs

Crosstalk: one source bleeding into another source normally through a 
preamp.

Answer my own questions then. Words matter!!!

OP wants to know about interchannel crosstalk, not channel separation
again differential vs non differential amps, talking about amps, and sound stage, right..

Fully differential preamp and amp will give the best results.  That is the quest OPs on, right, wrong? Eliminate distortion via complete channel separation.

What does a cart have to do with that, all carts have channel separation issues. Still the best when it's right.

Regards
A more relevant amplifier characteristic is the ability to fully and believably render the complex harmonic structure of different instruments. When these are not done well then the instrument never does sound truly believable and so it is impossible for the ear/brain to ever tell you its really there. Yes the famous Fremer line, there's more there there. 

This is another one we don't have a specification or measurement for but people can hear it, they know when its there and when its better and when its worse, and the amps that do the best at this also do the best at throwing a believable sound stage.