IM Distortion, Speakers and the Death of Science


One topic that often comes up is perception vs. measurements.

"If you can't measure it with common, existing measurements it isn't real."

This idea is and always will be flawed. Mind you, maybe what you perceive is not worth $1, but this is not how science works. I'm reminded of how many doctors and scientists fought against modernizing polio interventions, and how only recently did the treatment for stomach ulcers change radically due to the curiosity of a pair of forensic scientists.

Perception precedes measurement.  In between perception and measurement is (always) transference to visual data.  Lets take an example.

You are working on phone technology shortly after Bell invents the telephone. You hear one type of transducer sounds better than another.  Why is that?  Well, you have to figure out some way to see it (literally), via a scope, a charting pen, something that tells you in an objective way why they are different, that allows you to set a standard or goal and move towards it.

This person probably did not set out to measure all possible things. Maybe the first thing they decide to measure is distortion, or perhaps frequency response. After visualizing the raw data the scientist then has to decide what the units are, and how to express differences. Lets say it is distortion. In theory, there could have been a lot of different ways to measure distortion.  Such as Vrms - Vrms (expected) /Hz. Depending on the engineer's need at the time, that might have been a perfectly valid way to measure the output.

But here's the issue. This may work for this engineer solving this time, and we may even add it to the cannon of common measurements, but we are by no means done.

So, when exactly are we done?? At 1? 2? 5?  30?  The answer is we are not.  There are several common measurements for speakers for instance which I believe should be done more by reviewers:

- Compression
- Intermodulation ( IM ) Distortion
- Distortion

and yet, we do not. IM distortion is kind of interesting because I had heard about it before from M&K's literature, but it reappeared for me in the blog of Roger Russel ( http://www.roger-russell.com ) formerly from McIntosh. I can't find the blog post, but apparently they used IM distortion measurements to compare the audibility of woofer changes quite successfully.

Here's a great example of a new measurement being used and attributed to a sonic characteristic. Imagine the before and after.  Before using IM, maybe only distortion would have been used. They were of course measuring impedance and frequency response, and simple harmonic distortion, but Roger and his partner could hear something different not expressed in these measurements, so, they invent the use of it here. That invention is, in my mind, actual audio science.

The opposite of science would have been to say "frequency, impedance, and distortion" are the 3 characteristics which are audible, forever. Nelson pass working with the distortion profile, comparing the audible results and saying "this is an important feature" is also science. He's throwing out the normal distortion ratings and creating a whole new set of target behavior based on his experiments.  Given the market acceptance of his very expensive products I'd say he's been damn good at this.

What is my point to all of this?  Measurements in the consumer literature have become complacent. We've become far too willing to accept the limits of measurements from the 1980's and fail to develop new standard ways of testing. As a result of this we have devolved into camps who say that 1980's measures are all we need, those who eschew measurements and very little being done to show us new ways of looking at complex behaviors. Some areas where I believe measurements should be improved:

  • The effects of vibration on ss equipment
  • Capacitor technology
  • Interaction of linear amps with cables and speaker impedance.

We have become far too happy with this stale condition, and, for the consumers, science is dead.
erik_squires
Actually we have been able to artificially stimulate neurons and get predictable results so .... There goes one of your arguments out the window.
That makes possible my point about Penrose...

The fact that some part of the brain can act like a neural network or even a Turing machine cannot justify a complete reduction of the brain to these elements at all...

Most misunderstanding about Penrose conception are linked to the fact that most people imagine consciousness is generated by the brain process... For Penrose it is universal consciousness that generate the Brain …..

It is you that negate the simple very well known fact that neural networks are nothing more than a set of algorithm.... 

I guess that you have not listen to Naftaly Tishby conference that explain precisely that...
After that saying that I dont understand Turing, neural network and stochastic process amount to only that void affirmation, ad hominem attack like you make one against others here ...

My affirmation is clear you dont know what an algorithm is, or can also be precisely a complex family of sub- algorithms that can mimic perception...(neural networks) 
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Living systems are not reducible to only machine, because they are conscious and linked all together to their "origin" that is the actual source of their information …. This information being symbolic and not only digital or analog...


That is not what Penrose posited
Why do you think he consider himself a Platonist like Godel or Whitehead or Ramanujan or Grotendieck?




  • Simple algorithms on a compute
  • Digital "nets" directly on an IC with or without intentional noise (and often at low precision ... sort of like our brain), and if you want to play "word" games, that breaks your use of the word algorithm.
  • Analog nets (which really becomes almost exactly like our brain), and again, totally breaks YOUR use of the world "algorithm"

Just because it is implemented in hardware, does not mean it's not an algorithm, but it still does not resemble a human brain.  Human brain is capable of being re-generative, and able to reconfigure itself.  

and often at low precision ... sort of like our brain
That is not true at all.  Human and animal brains are not "low precision".  Some animal brains are capable of detecting noise or smell of extremely small level.  Just before you don't sense it, does not mean the subconscious mind does not process it.  There have been studies that show some birds can navigate by using electron quantum entanglement.

In the nervous system, a synapse is a structure that permits a neuron (or nerve cell) to pass an electrical or chemical signal to another neuron or to the target effector cell.
That is definitely not "low precision".  

Think about it.  If your conscious brain is constantly awared of what your brain is processing, you would be driven to insanity. 

Anyway, I'll leave with this quote:
"Millions of monkeys won't be able to produce a work of Shakespeare by just randomly pounding on the keyboards".
Another thing is sure if you think that Penrose thesis defend the point that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain you dont have read it at all....

It is like your affirmation that neural network are not algorithmical because they are constituted by a family of algorithms...A family of algorithms is an algorithm, be it stochastical dont change this fact in a magical formula …«The procedure used to carry out the learning process in a neural network is called the optimization algorithm (or optimizer). »

What can I say ? to this ignorance that gives lesson about science without knowing that it is an ethical belief process not a religion (a static faith) like transhumanism propose it to be...

Now materialism being no more a serious scientific endeavour no more after Heisenberg and Bohr, then materialism becomes a new religion, swiftly dying like the Dawkins crowds …. This is the new fact after 1925 because materialism makes no more any sense....

Spirituality is the intuitive principle guiding the new science research trend....Traditional religions are now devoid of their spirituality and are mummified tradition without power except by reacting in a new forms of fanaticism....

The world change...

By the way guess who was the philosopher that gives the best analysis of Nazism and even if he is dead for 70 years, of transhumanism?

Enrst Cassirer the one you say cannot understand the new science …. :)