You've tried other amps and ended with Pass, please discuss


So I'm genuinely curious about this, and I'd like your thoughts.

You: Are a current pass owner who has tried a number of other amps and stuck with Pass.

Please discuss your speakers, your pass and what other amps you feel your current set up bested.

I won't opine, but may ask questions to those who are not specific enough.
One thing I've heard a lot is the terms "refined." I don't know what this means, so if you can compare to other amps with more detail, would appreciate that.
Thanks!

Erik
erik_squires
Hi @english210
Noble quest--complete sound, that is. I applaud you. I can only speak to my experiences with Pass equipment. I have had many of the AB "X" series amps with, mostly, Dynaudio speakers. The Dyns have the hallmark of smooth and natural with awesome imaging potential, but not the worlds most "punch you in the head" kind of dynamics other high end speakers might offer. Long term listening pleasure is what I admire.
Pass Labs have been wonderful on the various Dyn models i’ve owned over the years. The only XA amp I owned, was the XA30.5--I loved every second of music sessions with that. Never played a sour note. Just incredible.

The answer is system dependent; currently I am using Luxman amplification (pre and power) and i’ve been tuning the system to optimize this gear. EVERYTHING matters, and it’s not simple enough to just swap amps and hope for the best. Sure you can do that but to really find the potential it takes patience with trial and error of other supporting pieces. I am still learning this lesson today. Power cables on the amp alone can totally make or break the entire result. I am a trained EE and active in electronic design. I gave up trying to figure out how/why PCs make the kind of difference they do. I use my ears to measure and the differences can be startling.

A few fellow goner’s recommended Triode Wire Labs, for instance, and I am currently evaluating the Obsession PC. It has transformed the amp in ways I never thought possible.

Balance
If your speakers have metal dome tweeters and are super revealing, (and maybe like 88-90 dB sensitive ) and your room is about 12x20x8, and you don’t listen at ear splitting levels all the time, I think a Pass XA30.8 would work wonders.

If your speakers are soft dome, lower in efficiency, you might consider an X150.8/250.8...
If you have some form of high frequency tinnitus or irritation to harsh sounds you can’t go wrong with Pass (and Luxman, TBH, both are awesome in their unique strengths);

Your source cabling and component set matter greatly in this too...
You can have too much of a good thing-- tubey preamp, XA "type" power amp, warmish cables, warmish front end, smooth speakers (Harbeth/Spendor/Dynaudio) and find yourself swimming in a sea of pleasant mush...will not offend your ears in ANY way but quite boorish perhaps with a homogenized sound.

Again, good luck on your quest!!
-Dave
I’d like to see Pass do a Class D amp.  I need lots of drive and I like smaller easier to manage packages.  Of course lower cost is better than higher for me like most as well. 😉
I’d like to see Pass do a Class D amp.


That would be interesting.  Pass adds a distortion signature to his amps. I wonder if he would create a new Class D architecture which has this, or add a front end to a conventional Class D design.
^i believe Nelson Pass did make a Class D amp; I also seem to remember he wasn’t encouraged to do it again.
@erik_squires 

It is not simply pick a gain stage, follow that up with suitable output drivers, toss in some distortion mechanism, and poof you have a Pass amp.

It's my basic understanding that Nelson Pass designs his amplifiers not specifically to add distortion, per se, but rather to manage the inherent distortion characteristics from his specific design approach- simple topology, low global feedback, low output impedance, excellent slew rate, superb thermal stability, wide bandwidth, stability into all loads, high reliability, very high subjective performance, solid bench measurements, etc...it's all these trade offs, and more, that must be managed.

Nelson's specific recipe has led to many successes that have been proven over and over.