My Demo results: I feel like I'm at a frustrating block in my speaker journey


Hi all,

New poster and longtime lurker. 

As the title says, I feel like I'm at a frustrating endpoint in my audio quest, and hoping to draw from your guys' experience for some direction.

I bought my first speaker system a couple years ago because at my old house my tv speakers were not cutting it. 

First I bought an old budget pair of Klipsche bookshelves (P15s?  I dont really remember)  They were really shrill, and I sold them fairly quickly. 

After reading a bunch of the mainstream audio review sites (I now understand these platforms are often pay to play) I purchased the ELAC Unifi UF5 Towers.  These had beautiful, lush musical bass but sounded about engaging as energetic as a sponge.  They also had kind of a dark muffled sound at times- like there is a wet blanket over them.   Paradoxically, they also sound inorganic and kind of metallic. 

In the past few months I decided to start demoing speakers to see what I like.  Ive found some speakers that do certain things right, but not everything right.  Every one of the high-end, expensive speakers I have tried have had certain large flaws. I've been kind of shocked at this whole experience, because to my ears my $60 set of logitec computer speakers handily beats a number of speakers 50x more expensive. Like, they dont have great detail retrieval or clarity but at least they dont color the sound a ton, and they present very engagingly.

Im still lookijng for my goldilocks speaker.

  • Various Kefs- very similar to the ELACs but worse imo- very metallic and unengaging
  • Various B&W- Metallic, boring, no dynamics
  • Warfedale Evo 4.4- nice highs!  Absolutely sloppy bass (for my room at least) and terribly muddy mids
  • Tannoy Revolution 6XTE- Similar to above.  Very, very dark speakers.
  • Martin Logan 35XTI bookshelves-  Eureka!  These are much more organic and clear.  Guitars actually sound like guitars instead of a bad digital rendering of them.  Theres energy in what I listen to.  This is what I was missing in the others... things sound like theyre supposed to!   Only issue is they arent as full-bodied as towers.  They just cant play very loud and I wish they had more bass to be better full range speakers.    Somewhat more minor issue is that they sound slightly grainy.  Though thats not a total dealbreaker. 
  • Martin Logan 60XTI Towers- I had high hopes for these.... but where did the magic for the 35s go ML?  These are very "meh".  The highs and satisfying acoustic resonances are gone.
  • Focal Aria 906 bookshelves- holy clarity batman!  But it sounds almost too clinical to the point that theyre not engaging.
  • Focal Aria 948 Towers-  Holy clarity and body batman!  These sound almost perfect- but they dont quite come alive until higher volumes (and I have a small space), and there's still something missing... a certain *zing* in the acoustic guitar resonances. 
  • Def Tech 9060- Hard to describe.  Sometimes they sounded good, sometimes they sounded imprecise and like the drivers were way too small.  Bass gets bloaty in my room.  Theyre also ugly as hell. 
  • Ascend Sierra Tower with RAAL-  After all the others, I had only tthe ML 35XTIs and the focal 948s remaining.  I was hoping, based on my extensive reading of forums, that the ascend towers could give the best of both worlds- the clarity/full body of the focals with the acoustic resonance/energy/zing of the MLs.  Unfortunately I was once again disappointed.  They seem unbalanced to my ears.  Like, they have very punchy bass but they color the sound to be sweet and there seems to be something missing in the middle of the sound.... some body that just isnt there.  The highs are very sweet and engaging, but almost a little artificially so.  Where the MLs sound like an actual acoustic guitar being played in front of me, the Sierras make it sound unnaturally sweet or high.  Theres unnaturally sweet zzzing out of string instruments that I dont think actually sound that way....  Im bummed because I really wanted to like these speakers. 


I think I've established a list of qualities Im looking for:
  • The etched sound of the MLs
  • Full body and clarity of the Focals
  • The forward, engaging nature of the ascends
  • Not overly smooth
  • Not metallic (I dont think I like aluminum tweeters)
  • wide horizontal dispersion (my room is wider than it is long)

Where do I go from here?  Im at a loss.  Id appreciate any recommendations you guys have. 

mjt8
Ok, tons of good info and recommendations given, tons of bad info.  Good luck knowing who to believe.

1.  Snag something like a Peachtree Nova 150 or comparable. Look at good 2 channel integrated amplifiers.  Something with a pre, amp, and dac all in one.  
2.  What is your source?  (How do we get this far into a discussion without the source component??). If you are streaming, stream Tidal, Qobuz, or Amazon HD through a Bluesound Node 2.

3. Spend the remainder of your budget on a pair of monitors (salk, fritz...?and 4 GIK panels.  Art Decco series, perhaps.  Buy some Isoacoustics l8r130 stands.  
Speaker placement: put the speakers on the isoacoustics and then on the “entertainment stand.  Pull that left speaker out from the corner of the room and in a way that its emanating sound isn’t impeded by the couch.  Set up an equilateral triangle with regards to where the speakers are and where your preferred sweet spot is.

Acoustic panel placement: I’d put 2 panels in that corner, behind the speaker that is front of the couch and 2 1x4 panels on the wall behind your head, above the couch.

Consider a concentric designed speaker if you want to have a good dispersion pattern across all the listening seats in that area!

It sounds like you have a good ear, which gets expensive so understand that you may have to compromise on the speakers until later on.  With the other components that I mentioned in place already, THEN you spend $3500-$4500 on speakers. Don’t put the cart before the horse and expect to get anywhere.  With that in mind, any $1500 speaker from Fritz, Salk, or used fill in the blank, will sound better with the set-up I described than a pair of $60,000 Magicos hooked up to the Marantz AVR.

If all of this is so overwhelming that you aren’t having fun, buy some Dynaudio XEO 20’s, some isoacoustics and be done.  
mattarms makes a great point to pick the speakers you find the most enjoyable rather than just ticking off boxes on a list. 
Meanwhile, oldears is officially on “time out” for recommending a headphone system.
1+ bluorion on the Dynaudio Special 40s. I auditioned them at length and would have purchased them, but my dealer had me try some Dali 5s. They have a ribbon tweeter, I believe, and they don't need speaker stands (those things are pricey). The Dalis are more than $3000.00, but not a lot more. As much as I like the Dalis, it wasn't until I replaced my late 80s BK amp and pre-amp with a Simaudio Moon that they really bloomed. What about taking your amplification to your local dealer and have a speaker shootout? Both wear masks and keep your distance. Anyone interested in late 80's BK amp/preamp combo?
And that is why audio is such a wonderful and exciting journey. You need to have to find the combination of electronics, speakers and room that's just right and makes you happy.