Is there such a thing as too much power?

I found that interesting since I had read the output current of other brands of amplifiers. Not sure what to make of the lack of response.

Amplifier current ratings are among the most useless and misleading of specs, IMO. What they usually represent is how much current can be provided into a dead short (zero ohms) for some unspecified miniscule fraction of a second. And in some or many cases they represent what the amp’s power supply can provide for that miniscule fraction of a second, rather than what the amp’s outputs can provide.

See this thread: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/current-limit-onset-definition?sort_order=asc

Regards,
-- Al

I learned my lesson long time ago, there is absolutely no substitute for having the headroom needed when you need it!

when you push the volume at times, you will need the power and headroom as to not send distortion to speakers, from overdriving a low watt amplifier into distortion.

been through more warranty situations anyone should go through, from lower watt amps.
When I hit my first high powered amp, no more blown tweeters/mids/woofers.

I don’t have the Telarc 1812 Overture, but I would expect it to be exceedingly rare for any recording of music to have a wider dynamic range than Stravinsky’s "Firebird Suite" on Telarc (Robert Shaw conducting the Atlanta Symphony) and Prokofiev’s "Romeo and Juliet" on Sheffield Lab (Erich Leinsdorf conducting the Los Angeles Philharmonic).

I have observed the waveforms of those recordings on a computer, using a professional audio editing program, and found them to have a dynamic range (the difference in volume between the loudest notes and softest notes) of about 55 db, which is simply incredible. Correspondingly, at my 12 foot listening distance the softest notes are reproduced at SPL’s of about 50 db, and the loudest notes at about 105 db. My little Pass XA25, which after leaving class A can probably provide around 100 watts into the 6 ohm impedance of my speakers, has no trouble at all accomplishing that with zero evident distortion.  And likewise in the case of the 70 watt VAC Renaissance 70/70 MkIII I used previously.

My speakers are rated at 97.5 db/2.83 volts/1 meter/6 ohms. As with many such specs that rating might be a bit optimistic.

Regards,
-- Al

Atmasphere, Is there a way to determine an amplifier's lowest point of distortion apriori or is an empirical issue?

If the specs are published, its easy, if not, a distortion analyzer is handy.


But as I mentioned, with most amplifiers this is about 5-7% of full power. Having unlimited power is great, but the practical issues around that are profound. If you need that power because you have inefficient speakers, thermal compression will prevent you from ever playing the system all that loud and getting the dynamic contrasts right. One problem that is epidemic with higher powered amps is poor application of loop negative feedback, owing largely to inadequate Gain Bandwidth Product. This causes such amps to sound harsh due to higher ordered harmonic distortion.


This is why efficiency is important in loudspeakers, and there is no reason why a speaker has to trade off anything if resolution is a higher goal. The speakers I'm running at home are 97.5dB, the first breakup of the midrange driver is at 35KHz. So its very fast and smooth. On such speakers you can use lower powered amps and still achieve sound pressures well over 100dB.

Can you ever have too much money , sex and stereo equipment ?

Doesn't SPL also depend on listening distance and room acoustics? So, if a speaker is 90 dB/1 watt at 1 meter and you sit 2-3 meters away from the speakers, then what you are hearing is 87 or 84 dB.  So, if you want to listen at 90 dB, you would need 2 to 4 watts, or more. So theoretically, a 40 to 50 watt amp capable of low distortion should do given transients.
If you want to pound your ears into oblivion, say starting at 105/102/101 dB, then you would need 16/32/64 watts using the above proportions. So, transients could demand 160/320/640 watts to keep it sounding "more live"?
So, for really loud music, a really powerful amp may come into play.

I typically listen to music at under 90 dB at more than 2.5 meters from speakers so a lower power low distortion amp should do. My amp, a Hegel h160 does nicely but it is over kill for my speakers, Focal 807Ws which were less than half the price. The speakers also do well with a really inexpensive class D with of course less quality than the Hegel. This little class D does seem to sound better in some ways to other AB amps under a grand I have tried. Depends on the level one listens, the Hegel and Focals work very well where cheaper alternatives would do for many.

I like stand mount speakers but if I were to go with a floorstander, I'd like to try Tekton Lore Reference. At 44 lbs, their doable.  At 96 dB, a smaller amp or tube could do. I do stay away from low sensitivity speakers as a rule seeking something around 90 dB.  Other speakers are Triangle Zetas for desktop. Less resolving, a bit more sibilant than Focals, less bass, but they do nicely as well. Don't even need a sub to enjoy them both though a sub can fill in the basslines.  Other very efficient speakers I have not heard , Zu speakers seem to have a following as do others.  Choices.