Garrott vs Soundsmith


I've been thinking about a new cart.Soundsmith Carmen 2Garrott Brothers p77i or Optim FGS
Let the opinions fly
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And let's spread the lights on Reto Luigi Andreoli premium MOVING MAGNET cartridges under his brand  BLUELECTRIC. 

As i can see in this post from 2015 they were new at that time. 
This is when Bluelectric made MM pickup for the first time!

Here is a nice image of this MM cartridge called SHAKE Streamliner. 
As you can read below Streamliner MM models has unique SYNTHOBIONIC CANTILEVER! Pretended to be unbreakable. What??? Let's have another look.  

The MM pickup comes in two versions:

1) Bluelectric Shake Smooth Operator is the least expensive MM and also the least expensive Bluelectric pickup among the new and redesigned pickups.Shake in both versions has an output of 4.1mV, compliance of 16 and weight of 9 grams. Smooth Operator uses an alloy in cantilever.

2) Bluelectric Streamliner is the second version of the MM pickup Shake. Shake Streamliner uses the unique Bluelectric synthobionic unbreakable cantilever that is only manufactured by Bluelectric.

The Bluelectric Shake Streamliner will be in stock with a low quantity at the manufacturer, but will be mainly manufactured to order.

** It is interesting to the in specs that basic design is P777 (1980) and this is direct correlation to the Garrott Brothers P77 (look at the numbers). **

Bluelectric is for those who want the absolute best.
Some would say that prices are high, but considering the very long life, Bluelectric is among the very cheapest pickups in use.
The cost per hour is actually very very low.

I got some information online from Norwegian Distributor



How do you say ''ich liebe dich'' in Dutch ?  ''I love you''. ''No idiot
that is English''. ''My Gosh I had no idea that I speak English''. 
This is an Serbian joke but in this case this was my ''sensation''
by reading this Norwegian information. I had no idea that I was
able to understand Norwegian. There are more curious 
misunderstandings reg. Andreoli. Because he feels that selling is
bellow his ,uh, status, this job is done by Blue electric. So this is
not his ''shop'' or company. Elsewhere is mentioned his real 
living- and working place. Anyway  It seems curious that despite
the mystery about the job of Blue Electric  we can't get much 
information about Reto in English or German but well in Russian
and Norwegian.  Thanks to our multilingual chakster we now know
more than before. 
I took the time to read your earlier post on the Garrott history, Chakster.

Wow! That's some backstory. Interesting.


@nandric 

Everything has been covered here. Andreoli is an artisan, who I suspect gets bored with producing the same product over and over - once they have mastered or achieved their goals on a particular design, they then look for a new challenge. This is their nature. As far as I am aware Andreoli's products are produced either in very very small runs or to order, and then are never seen again. I have never seen another phono 
such that I own - it may be a one off, or like me other owners will never sell.

As far as cartridges go, he has praised the Neumann and the Ikeda cantileverless cartridges, opining that they are one of the very few cartridges that can mimic the cutterhead in payback.

And yes his argument for spherical tips is based principally on the fact that all pivots arms have tracking error, and he believes the spherical tip is the least damaging in terms of tracking error distortion.

For what its worth - if you listen to the venerable Denon 103 - although not particularly transparent, it does have a rhythmic coherency to the sound that more "high end" cartridges can be lacking.



So this is not his ’’shop’’ or company.

@nandric The shop owner is his cousin


The owner of the Swiss hi-fi shop "Dietiker-Humbel" is Andreoli’s cousin

Bluelectric - this is correct brand name, i’m not sure who’s the owner, but Magic Diamond, Silver Spirit, Virus cartridges and even Virus Phono Stange are all Bluelectic.

See what i can find about phono stage ...

Bluelectic Virus Phono Stage Specs:

  • Amplifier Unit: Solid state moving coil output to line level input amplifier with RIAA equalisation
  • Equalisation: RIAA equalised record will give flat output +/1db between 20-20kHz
  • Subsonic Filter: yes, below 5Hz
  • Bandwith: 2Hz to 50kHz internally limited
  • Input: impedance / cartridge load: does automatically match to cartridge if source impedance is between 2 to 100 Ohms
  • Gain: depending on source impedance of cartridge, typical 60 to 65db
  • Recommended Cartridges: Impedance from 2 to 80 Ohms, output 0.25 to 0.6mV / 1kHz output

@dover this is the phono stage you have or it’s another model ?