Which one to choose between two 80K$ tube amps?


There are two interesting 80K$ tube amps on sale at Audiogon.

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9jhj0-david-berning-co-211-845-otl-tube

The first one is David Berning OTL design with output of 60 Watts.

it looks beautiful. But I had never used OTL amp yet.

I am curious how it sounds with high efficiency speaker.

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisa27ii-jadis-ja800-flagship-tube-amplifier-six-chassis-best-ever-made-nos-new-old-stock-tube

The second one is Jadis JA800 with 6 pieces and 400watts.

I had used JA500  (only 4 pieces with 350 Watts) from 2000 to 2002 to drive B&W Notilus 801 with utmost authority and unbelievable slam.

It was kind of lifetime experience to own this beautiful and overbearing monster.

But I could not use it during summer time in modest size room.

Thus I let it go and got Silbatone 300B SET amp to drive efficient full range speaker.

350 Watt to 8 Watt

If you have money or hit the Jackpot, which one will you go for?




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Hi mikelavigne,

Of all the various posters here you are the one who has actually heard the Berning amplifier. Not only that but you've heard it in 'your' audio system. You are very impressed with it. I do not doubt its excellence. The Dan'Agostino and Boulder amplifiers were mentioned as similarly priced components.  I've heard amps from both brands but only under audio show conditions. Are you familiar enough with either to render an opinion as to how they compare to the Berning?

Charles

@charles1dad

The Dan’Agostino and Boulder amplifiers were mentioned as similarly priced components. I’ve heard amps from both brands but only under audio show conditions. Are you familiar enough with either to render an opinion as to how they compare to the Berning?

my listening experience with those 2 brand’s amps are pretty much at audio shows, and i like to various degrees, but don’t absolutely love, either. i think in the context of a good quality speaker system with modestly difficult load they are good choices, and can be the basis for a great system. neither are limiting.

the OP spoke of wanting an appropriate amp for a high efficiency speaker, and also of his experience with his Silbatone SET and his previous Jadis. this IMHO precludes these two brands from being in the running for an appropriate fit for him. neither have the sort of tube like life, or minimalist, global feedback free circuit, that would get into the realm of his direction. but the Berning certainly does. it hits the nail on the head. i think my darTZeel, if we are talking solid state alternatives (which the OP did not bring up so neither did i till now), would be a ’fit’ in terms of musical character in alignment......or to be fair simply more in alignment if we are looking for solid state alternatives. maybe the dart 108 being more real world price points compared to my 468’s.

i don’t see those others as alternatives to the Berning......but are both top quality choices seen in many very good systems. but rarely matched with a high efficiency speaker. if i were choosing between those two brands for someone coming from tubes, then the D’Agostino strikes me as closer, if that is your question.

my path years ago, was from big No.33 Mark Levinson’s.......to 75 watt Tenor OTL’s......then to darTZeel solid state. that Tenor OTL is still my beacon of sonic reference for how music reproduction should be amplified. linear tubes! and that is my view of the darTZeel’s i have now, and how i view the Berning.
Skifi is overpriced on all his 30 or 40 year old gear and nasty as well.Buy nothing from them!!
The other thing I notice about Skyfi is they offer no warranty on the used stuff they sell once you receive it on good working order. 

Also they say they have a tech that checks everything before sale to make sure in good working order but do not seem to provide any repairs once sold.
That would be a big no go for me especially for those big ticket items.


Compare to a local shop near me that is similar but not nearly as upscale. Their specialty is service and repair.

Mike,

Thanks for your informed reply. I should have been more clear with my inquiry. I know based on my listening neither the Dan’Agostino or Boulder are what the OP is searching for. You characterized the no NFB/simple circuit/linear genre of tube amps very well. I was just curious on purely sonic grounds what you thought of the other two amps in light of   your vast exposure..
Based on my limited exposure to both I’d also choose D’Agostino over the Boulder. Given my taste, the Berning over both of them.

Charles