A challenge to the "measurement" camp


I’ve watched some of his video and I actually agree on some of what he said,
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?

Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?

For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.

Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw

By the way, is he getting paid by Belden?  Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures.  I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.  
andy2
The major failings of the ASR camp are :

1 - The idea that an oscilloscope is a judge of my listening preferences.

2 - The idea that measuring first does not generate observation bias. In fact, it creates it.

3 - The idea that measurements mostly defined by the 1960s capture our hearing.


I also believe that cables are way over priced, and that good room acoustics are a better first investment than any cable, as well as that tone controls are good.

Best,

E
I think it is a waste of time and effort explaining to someone that they are wrong. I just smile at that video and move along.  People who are passionate about wrong opinions are usually driven by fear. That being said, I happen to like Belden and Ken Shindo favored the Belden 9497.  When I played Bass Clarinet, I could hear the difference between the reed I chose though I doubt their measuring devices would have that capability.
There was a great article from stereophile the other day, that finally nailed it to the wall.

Not that most understand the concepts being spoken about.

It comes down to the dynamic aspects of inductance, it seems.

Capacitance? capacitance turned out to be almost meaningless.

Read:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/what-difference-wire-makes

Read right to the end. Bring your molecular level understanding of inductance, capacitance, and resistance along for any comments... as otherwise.. 

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There is literally...Teo Audio Liquid metal cables..and...everything else. The gulf is huge and all encompassing, in the complex electrical and complex physics sense. 

The Teo audio cables don’t have their inductance occurring like any other cable in the world. What, is the dynamics of the inductance of a charged gas? Think in that direction.

As a matter of fact, it is almost impossible to get an inductive response out of a Teo Audio Liquid Metal Cable.

Importantly, if you try to make an inductive coil out of liquid metal you get a giant... FAIL.

You get a wholly different beast. Ie, ’forces you don’t understand’.

An entire area of potentials in physics and possible technology that exactly ZERO people have thought enough about to explore and exploit. the math becomes impossibly complex (quantum and classical, combined, in living motion) and experimentation becomes the order of the day.

Forces I don’t understand? Highly unlikely. All forces can be reduced to the very simple equation, F=ma 🤗 (mass x acceleration) ....it’s not that complicated, guys.

Without mass there can be no time. - Luke Perry