A challenge to the "measurement" camp

I think you put yourself in a bind. (To the djones or robert or atavid ...)

Here  these two positions you have to take:

1. Plots are flat.
If the plots are flat, then by definition you can’t tell the difference among the cables because they are all flat. Then your conclusion has to be all cables sound the same because they all measure the same - FLAT.
But of course cables don’t sound the same so this a flaw position.

2. Plots are not flat:
Then you why don’t you enlighten us how you would interpret these plots - with all the dips and bumps at different frequencies. Here is the second FLAW because nobody knows how, and certainly you don’t know either.

That’s the point but some people are too thick in the head to understand.

3. You don’t understand what these plots illustrate nor the concept of bulk LRC.

Personally I have not put myself into a bind since I have no made any challenges, and have only voiced basic support for the concept in the video that using cables for "tone controls" is rather silly ... $1000’s to replace pennies of components, maybe a few dollars in low volume ... makes total sense to me.

@geoffkait
Some time ago I watched a compelling documentary where after showing the differences in time from outer space, and different points on Earth.
Then the discussion went into gravitational time dilation.

Gravity slows the passage of time similar to how the passage of time is changed under special relativity, general relativity predicts that massive objects will also dilate time. The more massive the object, the more noticeable the effect.

The newer idea is that by moving through space towards a significantly large mass, that time slows approaching the large mass, I don’t know the mathematical formula, but they showed it in the documentary. The way I understood it, it was as if falling from where time moved more rapidly to where time slowed down.

 You don’t understand what these plots illustrate nor the concept of bulk LRC

Nice deflection from your own flaw and contradiction.  So what is it?  Are these plots flat or not? 

Again, enlighten us how you interpret the plots.  You don't think you have a clue what you're talking about other than copy the wikipage.  

I never deflected from any position I took nor did I make any contradictions. The inductance and capacitance of speaker cables will be very consistent over frequency. That you don’t understand what this means is not my problem.


As far as I can tell, djones51 called your bluff w.r.t. the measurements for two cables and you skating like Disney on Ice trying to avoid the fact you don’t have any and probably can’t even get them or even know how.

People are free to see my recent posts on differential input amplifiers for phono stages, setting azimuth on phono stages, practical concepts w.r.t. class-D amplifiers and phase shift, linear phase/all-pass filters, the impact of input resistance and inductance on AC power line rejection of amplifier power supplies, etc.  With the exception of Mr. Pebbles who insults anyone who knows more than him, it is pretty obvious which one of us has a greater understanding of the electronics aspects of audio.