Does it improve the sound of a MM or MI cartridge by playing it through a phono stage?

Didn't see a post from Elliott on this discussion.

Look for "elliottbnewcombjr"For example, the thread titled "What SUT?...."
You asked, "why does a cartridge have a recommended load impedence from a phono stage and so many phono stages have adjustments for that?"  Because each manufacturer wants his cartridge to perform at its best.  So he selects a range of phono input resistances that ought to work well with his cartridge and publishes that information.  The rule of thumb is that the input resistance of the phono stage should be not less than 10X the internal resistance of the cartridge (which is another published specification that you should be able to find easily).  Most manufacturers do not stipulate one value; they usually will stipulate a minimum value which allows for higher values of input resistance to be used.  The 10-fold rule is not cast in stone.  You can get away with lesser ratios, but usually you don't want to go far below 10.  The reason for this is that as the input resistance of the phono stage approaches the output resistance of the cartridge, more and more energy in the form of signal voltage is lost to ground.  Also, the high frequency response starts to roll off.  This whole issue mostly pertains to MC cartridges which are often run at phono input resistances much less than 47K ohms.  For MM cartridges, you can forget about it and use the standard 47K ohms, to be found in nearly all MM phono stages.

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Guys - JPerry, three_easy_payments, pryso:

I'm not sure why the OP's question was so puzzling. He's using the built-in phono stage in his Plinius Integrated and wants to know if he can get better sound with an external phone stage.

I've no experience with the Plinius or the VDH cartridge, but I'd say (1) yes, external phono stages will usually sound better than the built-in ones (2) Generally - though not always -- MC is said to sound better than MM.

The Sutherland should sound great -- haven't you tried it?

G

You can easily find and buy a better phono stage for MM or MC cartridges and the price will tell you nothing.

Everything is easy with MM or MI cartridges, they are fine with almost any phono stage (technically) designed to accommodate an MM cartridge giving 47k Ohm load for them. But you can improve the sound of MM using 100k Ohm instead of 47k Ohm. Manufacturers of MM phono cartridges in the 70s/80s recommended 47k Ohm - 100k Ohm range of loading for MM. People ignoring it and using 47k Ohm now, but there is a big improvement with 100k Ohm for MM and everyone should try it!

So the best MM phono stage is the one wirh RCA plug load restistors to change loading for MM cartridges (not only for MC).

Of course users with soldering skills could simply change internal 47k for 100k (and back) to try. Load resistors inside expensive phono stages are not always the best quality. Some of the best for audio is Vishay Naked Foil resistor from Texas Components. I have replaced stock 47k Ohm resistors with 100k Ohm Vishay and never looked back, huge improvement almost for any MM/MI phono stage i have tried.