Looking to improve my system


I have been a member for a while and check the forum listings daily. My first posting. Looking for some advice on tweaking / improving my system which I started a couple of years ago

Before this I had a Denon amp, CD player and some JBL 4412 speakers inherited from my father-in-law, RIP.

My current system is


Primaluna EVO 400 and  Arcam A49

Q-Acoustic Concept 500 speakers

LKS MH-DA004 DAC

Bluesound Node 2i

Pro-ject Carbon Espirt SB turntable


QED XT40 speaker cables.

Blue Jean coax and RCA

Audioquest Yukon XLR

Signal Power Cable on the amp (can't remember which one but cost about $100)

The other components are using original power cables.  

Furman PL-Plus-C

GIK acoustic panels (bass traps in back corners. 7 other panels in the room)


The room is 12 X 19. 8 foot high ceilings. I sit on the long wall so I’m about 8 feet from the speakers. The speakers are an equal distance from the side walls. Today they are about 7.5 feet apart and toed in slightly. 15 inches from the wall


Mostly listen to the Bluesound either streaming through Amazon or Neil Young Archives and a hard drive or Network drive which contains my many CDs ripped to FLAC files through EAC. Very little vinyl.

My musical tastes vary

Classic jazz - MIles Davis, Art Blakey, Bill Evans but also Joshua Redman and Diana Krall

Classic and Grunge Rock - Stones, Beatles, Pink FLoyd, Led Zeppelin, Talking Heads, DIre Straits, Pearl Jam, Alixce in Chains

Acoustic music - David Grisman / Jerry Garcia Bob Dylan, Bluegrass, Neil Young.

Indie Music - Ryan Adams, Bon Iver, Lord Huron


So what is the problem? Not really sure. There are moments that are really good, but to be honest it seems never as good as a live performance.  (Not sure if you can really  reproduce the live experience and I have been to poor sounding live shows )  I would  say it does depend on the recording. Talking Heads -Stop Making Sense Psycho KIller and David Grisman / Jerry Garcia The Thrill is gone recordings are great. Miles Davis- Kinda Blue and BIll Evans -Sunday and the VIllage Vanguard are really good. But much of the rock music and indie stuff (except maybe for Bon Iver) can be lacking.


What is the problem? Not always sure but maybe a separation of instruments, or that some instruments get lost and others are too prominent. In the Miles Davis song “So What” I  love to listen to the bass, drums and piano in the background while the sax and trumpet are playing. Sometimes, even in that song, those background instruments get lost, especially the drums. Rock music is worse, Seems like no separation. Just generalizing here.  I would almost rather listen to this music in my car.

Also some music can sound harsh, at times. What I want is to not be thinking about the system but just enjoy the music and feel like I’m being enveloped by the sound. To not just hear the sound but feel it.


I feel I am set with my amps. I want the Concept 500 speakers to work but also looking at the Klipsch Forte III. (I think the Cornwall IV are too big?) Or maybe something else? Also not sure if I would change the DAC or streamer. Have looked at the Furman Elite15 PC but not sure if I want to go that way. I plan on adding a dedicated 20 amp circuit. Not sure about adding higher end cables. I don’t want to re-ignite a battle. While I can’t wrap my head around some of those cable upgrades it is more from lack of experience. I wish I could compare speaker wire, connectors and power cables, just not sure how. There was a suggestion from GIK to add some additional panels to the ceiling and more bass traps high on the back wall .


Sorry for the long post, I know there are a lot of you out there with so much experience and knowledge and I will take all suggestions openly. If there is anything I have taken from reading the posts in this forum, it's that people are passionate about their music.



stalajkowski
Okay so what you've got right now is some clear ideas of what you want, which is good. To me it looks like you've got some quite good components like the Prima Luna and turntable, some other components that are not so good, and a bunch of components that are MIA. 

The worst of your not so good are the wires. Quality power cords can make a huge improvement and are worth putting real money into since unlike most other components you can keep and use them through many component upgrades pretty much forever. The gold standard - by which I mean not that its the best but rather its more of a entry level benchmark- is the Synergistic Research Master Coupler. Get one of those, use it to compare everything else against, and you will be fine on power cords. 

This will do a lot to help the problem of things getting lost in the mix, a lot of which is due to loss of signal detail. Everything contributes to loss of signal detail. So its not like there's one thing you can do. Its a lot of things. They all add up.

In terms of components the one that will make the biggest impact in bringing all those sounds from buried to life and make your music sound live is new speakers from Tekton. Double Impacts are in your budget and will transform your system in exactly the ways you want. If you have the room and the budget then order Moabs like I did, you will not be disappointed.  

Now for the MIA: SR HFT, ECT, PHT, Orange Fuse, Cable Elevators. Each of these will do exactly what you want, improve clarity and bring those lost in the mix sounds out in the open where they belong.  

None of these will change tone or balance. When you talk about some instruments being lost or too prominent that is usually a tone or frequency imbalance of some kind. Usually speakers (and Tekton will fix that) but could just as easily be your wires or amp. Freebie rubber power cords are pure crap but at least are balanced in their crappiness across the board. Aftermarket wire on the other hand, while it can be hugely better it can also often times be the betterness comes at a cost of crapiness in certain areas. That is why I recommend SR as being the most uniformly and reliably across the board better. Not necessarily the best at everything, but almost always the best overall. 

HFT, ECT and PHT will greatly improve clarity, imaging, and make your speakers disappear. HFT and ECT are all very uniform and neutral. PHT come in different flavors. I've tried them all and Green Dream is super luxurious and deeply sexy, while Black Beauty is a little more neutral and dynamic. I recommend using both together and the people who have taken that advice tell me they are very happy indeed. 

SR Blue and Orange Fuse are around $150 and roughly equivalent to a $400 Master Coupler so the Fuses are a no-brainer. But really there is no right or wrong way to go about it. There's also vibration control, BDR Cones, a Shelf or sand box for your turntable. Every one of these ideas will be a step in the right direction. It all depends on how far you want to go. 

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367

There are many factors that go into convincing one a reproduction is real.
If considering changes, for something completely different that does just that very easily and for modest cost take a look at Ohm Walsh speakers. Www.ohmspeaker.com. Also these tend to be more laid back and easy on the ears than many.
I'd consider a subwoofer.  Your speakers only go down to 41Hz and a good sub(s) will likely add some richness and improve the soundstage significantly.
I wouldn't blame the equipment.

So the speakers are in front of the long wall?

If WAF and the system isn't in a living space, I would have the speakers firing the length of the room-speakers on the short wall. Those speakers would sing 4-6 feet out in the room.

Speaker placement/room is paramount. Mentioning this in many threads, I've become a  broken record! 

This ISN'T a "one size fits all" but something to chew on. YMMV
http://www.cardas.com/room_setup_calculators.php
Impractical in a living situation, but if you can swing it, possibly a game changer.

You have $5K speakers- https://www.qacoustics.com/concept-500-floorstanding-speaker-pair.html
They are a personal sonic thing but, if you can't get them to sound acceptable....well?

I would at least rule out speaker placement/room  before opening the wallet. Might be a "live with it" situation. If that, enjoy the music.

Point one is to ignore all the advice given to you by the first person who responded.

Point two: experiment with the positioning of the speakers in the room.  Try getting them more away from side walls.  Try a long wall set-up.  Try something on the diagonal if you can.

Point three: if it sometimes sounds harsh already, Klipsch are not the way to go.  Rather the other direction.

Point four: room treatment.  Carpets. Wall hangings.  Or give GIK a call.