Does the first reflection point actually matter??

The goal in the control room are not dissimilar to home audio: To clearly hear what’s on the recording, without any masking or other undesirable signature from the playback room.

The room where the recording is made is one room...

The control and mixing room is where the electronic controls of quality are...

But the sound you will listen to is YOUR room, and what you will listen to will never be the ideal standardized generic preparation by mixing and equalization etc of the sound engineer...It will be your specific room...

In a word your brain must learn how to retrieve the cues coming from the recording from the cues coming from your listening room...Your brain dont work like a sound engineer in the mixing room trying to be faithful to the recording only....Your brain need a room....And it will not be the recording room....It will be the room where you live....Your brain will be faithfull to the recording event to the limit of his own actual location: his room experience...

And nobody only listen to what is on the recording hall, or lived event, it is ALWAYS a recreation...

My point is how to make this recreation a stunning experience...

It is ok to have " no masking or any undesirable signature from the play back engineer room" but how will you create ideal listening conditions in your own room?

By using only passive treatment and erasing your room from the sound?

By using active controls and giving to your room an active role?

What is the best?

The best is the cheapest way to create a stunnning audio experience is not upgrading your audio system to a more transparent one at prohibitive cost,but transforming your room in a positive player...The rewarding is astounding and the cost very low....

This is my experiment...This is my point....

Saying that we must listening our stereo system directly to keep the brain calm is saying something that makes no sense at all, except for those who think that electronic engineering is the key audio element ....But is is acoustic the fundamental player...

You can replace any speakers or amplifier or dac, by an equal but different good one, but you cannot replace a room....We live with it and we can transform it tough....

In a word, the role plays by the room treated or not, controlled or not, is absolutely STUNNING, but unbeknownst to most audiophile focus centrered on their favorite electronic component they sometimes taste, it  seems like branded cheese, keeping their brain " calm "outside the " tumult" of their room it seems, directing their attention to the recording.......  :)

This is  my point....

Mahgister wrote: "how will you create ideal listening conditions in your own room?"

That would take a while for me to answer and would de-rail or hijack the thread.

I get the impression that you have something you’d like to share:

"The best is the cheapest way to create a stunning audio experience is not upgrading your audio system to a more transparent one at prohibitive cost, but transforming your room in a positive player...The rewarding is astounding and the cost very low....

"This is my experiment...This is my point.... "

It sound like you are very excited about something you have done in your room. Maybe you could start a thread about it?

Duke

we speak about first reflections point and their obstructiveness or usefulness...

It seems to me that i was speaking about that...

It seems to you otherwise...

You do not enjoy a change of perspective it seems?

Perhaps it will be a good idea to read Floyd Toole article...You will have a cue of what i speak about ...

My best to you... I will go....

Mahgister, it sounded to me like you have created a "stunning audio experience" by doing something to you room, but I have absolutely no idea what you have done. I have no idea what your "change of perspective" is, but would like to. You seem to be very excited about it.  Have you discovered something new?

It also sounds like you may feel offended by something I said, which was not my intent. If you want to talk about that too, feel free.

Which Floyd Toole article are you referring to? I’m somewhat familiar with his work on sound reproduction, and on the acoustics and psychoacoustics of loudspeakers and rooms.

Duke

Like usual i react too swiftly to your post...

I apologize to you...

You are a good faith person and i am too passionnate...

I apologize in double...

https://www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/room-reflections-human-adaptation

This article is only few months ago...very interesting to say the least...

I had not speak about my own way and experiments with my room here my goal was not to derail the thread...

I only refer to them by the concept of active controls of room by relation to passive treatment of room...

I related my 2 years journey in my thread...

"Miracles in audio....."

My goal was with only homemade device and very low cost materials transform an audio system to a totally new level...

I expose how with the concepts of the 3 embeddings of an audio system, the most powerful being acoustic, but the electrical embeddings being also very powerful.... The mechanical embedding being important but less powerful...The acoustic methods has 2 way: active and passive.... The active way is almost unheard of in any audio thread... The "superstition" that we must eliminate reflection points instead of working with them comes from that ignorance about active controls and the way the brain work to recreate a lived sound event from a recording in an actual room....

Ok i dont wanted to derail the thread ....

My deepest regards to you....