Turned Off My Subwoofer ... And My Speakers Sound Great


I’ve had a pair of JA Pulsars (non-Graphene) for a couple of years now, and have been using them with a subwoofer. Today, I noticed that my Pulsars sounded very different. There was an expansion of soundstaging, the bass was more articulate and robust (i.e., it had more weight to it), and the highs really sparkled.

This was somewhat different from the sound to which I had become accustomed, so I looked on the panel and discovered that the sub had been turned off. Apparently, my wife had been dusting around my listening room and had accidentally hit the off switch.

I am kind of befuddled by this because I thought use of the subwoofer was supposed to achieve those sonically pleasing effects. Apparently not in my case. Have any ’Goners had this happen? I’m really happy with the "new" sound sans subwoofer, but continue to wonder why that is. I mean by all objective measures, the sub should improve the sound, not detract from it. I just don’t get it.
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Play a bassy track. Reduce the sub output and tune the cutover to lower than you had. It should just barely add in the lower frequencies. 
I think where people get screwed up is thinking that adding subs means more and more and more bass. This is NOT the case!

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Yea for the most part that's true. Twice now I've visited guys homes with 4 unit DBAs and ask me to listen.  One sounded good, one  OK, WHY?
They had their mains that were good to 27 on one and 35 on the other.
Simply put, one guy, cut his mains through an active EX at 60hz and let the DBA do the rest. It was quite impressive.

The other guy with RM30s which were better monitors BY FAR than the B&Ws. Sounded like crap because he didn't cut the mains at  60 or 80.
If he would have, I know the better sounding speaker system would have been there.  It was just bloated. Needed to turn it to like 30 as a cutoff, just boomy

He wants me to show him how the other guy did it. He was there, and wouldn't ask..

The guys BI amped , bass into an Active XO, disconnect the factory XO for bass. Set the slopes, EVERYthing including correcting the surly bad bass XO with no correction and a the cut points. It's set up like a band pass. Sounds great too.

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The only thing wrong with many subs in most cases is the additional expense and complexity for what you gain. I’d focus on getting one sub set up right for your sweet spot first before even considering more. That alone is hard enough to do in many cases. Then if you need to have properly tuned bass in other spots, arrays of subs to distribute the bass more evenly across the room is a solution. You don’t add more subs to get bass right in one spot. A suitable sub tuned properly is the most you need. With larger full range speakers and/or in smaller room even 1 well selected sub set up well may not add much if anything.

This is all for 2-channel music listening of course. Home theater is a different ballgame.

Having said all that I would not enjoy my relatively small and not particularly bass extended kef ls50s in my 12X12 room nearly as much without the sub. With it, there is not much to want.  The ls50s are fabulous speakers for smaller rooms within their limits.
Get a pair of small REL subs and hook them up to your stereo outputs per REL. Place them on diagonal corners. Fantastic SQ. This was recommended to me by Jacob at the REL helpline.
Actually, you don't have a problem. A problem is when you can't fix it, or have to fundamentally disrupt the experience. You very likely do not need new subs, or an array. You haven't even tried reconfiguring it yet, so the suggestions to move to another setup are a shot in the dark, quite out of line for first approaching the situation as described, imo. 

"By all objective measures..." which is why the audiophile should not depend solely upon measurements! They are a great guide, but you have to explore, experiment with your system. It seems like you just did an initial setup rather than push through trying all the permutations available to you.  

You are experiencing the normal situation when a sub is turned off. You are focusing on the mid-bass through top end, which is less noticeable when a sub is running. I review speakers and have them playing sans sub, then often add a couple subs. BTW, I do agree that if one is after superior results, the attempt should be to have a minimum of 2 subs. Having heard smallish sub arrays, I haven't been terribly impressed by them. I prefer to have two prodigious subs than four smallish ones that can't do the LF. If one had four larger subs, that might be a different story. But, then you might be into consideration of what that money might have gotten you in terms of a superior/upper end pair of speakers. YMMV 

Note: When  sub is turned off and suddenly everything seems so much better, that's a strong clue that you had the output of the sub way too high. Crank it back until it's barely discernible, then turn it down just a touch more until not individually discernible. Then see what you think of it all. 

Switch back and forth between sub/no sub. Enjoy it! Learn how the sub affects the sound, and I concur with others here that if things are THAT good without the sub, you likely had it set up wrong. Redo the sub settings with an oh, so gentle touch on the sub's output, and you likely will love what it does and not lose the benefit of the mains shining through.