Woofer pumping possibly due to tube amp when playing vinyl


I am moving this issue  to this forum because of what I discovered this weekend.

I’ve been trying to figure out why I have woofer pumping when I play vinyl, and for the last two weeks I’ve been messing with my vinyl rig trying to figure out what is causing the issue.  The woofer pumping seems to be more prevalent with the vertical up-and-down movements of the tonearm regardless of which turntable is being played. It appears it happens more at the outer edge of the record then the inner grooves.  I assume this is because record is more warped at the outer edges. The woofer pumping happens even in quite passages, so it’s not noise induced vibration affecting the turntable. 

 I have used two different turntables to try to figure this out, one is a pioneer PL 530, and the other is a VPI prime. both with different carts. Also, I have verified that all the carts being used on these turntables work well together with their respective arms.

However, it is not the turntable or cartridges. 

Things I can say for certain, it is not the turntable because I switched turntables with different cartridges to confirm this, and I still get the woofer pumping.  It is not a phono preamp because I’ve switched several phono preamp‘s, solid state and tube, and I still get the woofer pumping. It appears it is the tube amp that may be at cause. It’s the only component left of the chain. 
I have a Audio Research  Classic 60 amp. I got the amp used but it came with a new set of power tubes I don’t recall if I changed the four smaller driver tubes,  I also change the four large capacitors to new capacitors and biased the amp. 
The interesting thing is, with the TT’s I tried, it is the right channel that pumps more than the left channel, regardless of the variety of different cartridges tried, all aligned with AS Smartractor.

To be certain it was limited to vinyl playback, I plugged in a CD player and I do not get the woofer pumping at all. So I have a couple theories (1) the TT is just transferring subsonic frequencies from the records, ALL records I play do this.  Please remember, this is from the two different turntables being used, one a VPI prime belt driven, and the other a pioneer PL 510 Direct DrIve,  or (2) there’s some weird thing going on at the amp that I cannot explain. 
My question is, if there is something going on with the amp could it be a tube issue, or capacitor issue, or a biasing issue.  If so what is the most likely culprit.  Or I guess something else altogether. 
In the end I’m rather tired of chasing this ghost, and I would rather not use a subsonic filter if possible. If I do have to use a subsonic filter I want the most transparent one if such a thing exists. I’ve heard mixed results about the KAB unit. 
last_lemming
Wrong on all of it. You tried three different clamps. If none of them are designed like I said you could try a hundred more and it won’t prove a thing- other than that a lot of record clamps are of poor design. Which is why I made my own.

There are some good ones out there. I described exactly how they should look and work. Get one and use it. Problem solved.
stereo5
It is not the turntable. I tried my VPI with 3 different clamps and none made any difference. I still use the KAB with my Technics SL1200G and even though the noise was less it wouldn't go away until I used the KAB ...
If it's not the turntable, or the match between cartridge and pickup arm, then it's the set-up. Rumble filters are really a Band-Aid. They work, but treat the symptom, not the root cause.
Well other than a clamp that works wonders, I’m not sure what is left for me to try. 

Here is a list of things most things I’ve done:

different cartsHead shell weightsAdjusted tracking force
different count wts
different antiskate
checked leads
different mats
different TT’s - in various locations
different phono pre
different pre Amps
checked different inputs on preamp
different amps
moving TT to concrete floor
Different cables
lifted motor off table so only belt spun platter


not sure what to check next. 
I would have thought that two different turntables without we skipped two different results but it doesn’t

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Not sure if this is your issue but In 2010 I have a very significant woofer pumping issue with vinyl

That’s when I had a triplanar arm and ZYX Universe cartridge

We looked at isolation, the room, Speaker porting, suspension, etc etc like you are doing.

Like your situation it was worse on the outside portion of the record and exasperated on records with subtle warps

a lot of great insight from those posting here and our local guru here in New Orleans Richard Gray and Thom Mackris of Galibier converged on a solution. Major thanks to both.

Finally resolved what was wrong


the feather test - moving a feather lightly against the cartridge on the outer side parallel to the record should move the head shell and progress the record forward

if the cartridge doesn’t respond to the feather’s light touch and move inward then The tonearm bearing isn’t moving properly

The tonearm bearing wasn’t moving suficiently so the cantilever was moving up and down some instead of the cartridge moving in mass.
It would follow the groove forward but not have enough sensitivity to track things vertically correctly in harmony with the cartridge. That was what was causing all the pumping

It also isn’t kind to your deliccate cantilever suspension.

Most likely the bearing was restricted by dust in the equation.

I had the arm sent back and the bearing replaced by Triplanar and all was well

Since then I move up to a Durand tonearm.


I know you mentioned this was occurring with two turntables but each could be suffering from the same bearing issue to different degrees.

I wouldn’t rule the tonearm bearing out.
Particularly if you hadn’t played them in a while, there were similar dusting habits or if they are located in the same environment.

It is certainly worth a test.


Tom