the sound of massed violins in classical orchestral recordings


why do massed violins have this sort of gritty sandpapery reverberation in classical orchestral recordings?even in some sections of a piece, when the violins are playing softly in the background, you hear that gritty overtone more than the melody.when I listen to the Houston symphony in Jones Hall,sitting fourth row, facing the violin section, I don't hear that sound.I have three systems { two of them mid-fi ] and I hear the same thing-even with headphones.in all instances, the other parts of the orchestra are clear.  my main system : Vanalistine Trancendence 10 tube preamp,a 35 year old solid state Proton D1200 amp, [have tried NAD,Project, Musical Fidelity amps--they don't sound any better],Onkyo dx7555 CD player [Stereophile class B],and Project Carbon turntable with Grado Black 2 cartridge [ the Ortophon Red was too bright ] through Magnepan MG12/QR speakers.Tried a highly regarded Elac speaker--no change as far as the violins go, but way inferior to those dramatic Maggies.So, there you have it. Is it the equipment? Is the state of the art not up to recording violins? Is it me? [its o.k.-I can take it}. In closing,a couple of years ago,I had phone conversation with a well known person associated with a major speaker company about this. His response :[ paraphrased ] Violins are a problem--don't like 'em.  Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Retired professional classical musician here. I've had highend audio in the house for 25 years. I have to agree, massed violins can to be a problem. In fact, listening to how these are reproduced in orchestral recordings has been the first thing I listen for in judging the quality of the system. Long story much shortened: I recently added the Benchmark AHB2 amplifier, DAC3B and LA4 preamp to my system. The speakers are the remarkable Thiel 3.7, which I've had for 3 years now. The sound is jaw dropping. No artifacts, no grain, just dead-on timbral, dynamic and transient reproduction against an absolutely black background. And, goes without saying, massed strings sound just as they should. Finally.
Retired classical musician here too.
Just listening to Karajan’s 1963 performance of Beethoven’s Eroica on Idagio.
Violins and strings couldn’t be sweeter or more natural.
Violin sound is the ultimate testing on our audio system ...

I will add Brass ensemble with trumpet, horn, tuba, and trombone together....
A bad system cannot distinguish the gleaming sound of each and his particular timbre when mixed together....

This complement mass of violins in the higher frequencies with mass of brass for the mid and bass frequencies....
Hi Wolfie
Counting past one is not your forte.
A violin concerto is NOT massed violins.  Even a double violin concerto.



Do you know how hi resolution recording is done today ?
Are the studios recording to high speed tape or to DXD or to both simultaneously ?
As to their vinly offerings, are they mastered from tape or DXD (or other) digital masters ?
Thanks for any info.