the sound of massed violins in classical orchestral recordings


why do massed violins have this sort of gritty sandpapery reverberation in classical orchestral recordings?even in some sections of a piece, when the violins are playing softly in the background, you hear that gritty overtone more than the melody.when I listen to the Houston symphony in Jones Hall,sitting fourth row, facing the violin section, I don't hear that sound.I have three systems { two of them mid-fi ] and I hear the same thing-even with headphones.in all instances, the other parts of the orchestra are clear.  my main system : Vanalistine Trancendence 10 tube preamp,a 35 year old solid state Proton D1200 amp, [have tried NAD,Project, Musical Fidelity amps--they don't sound any better],Onkyo dx7555 CD player [Stereophile class B],and Project Carbon turntable with Grado Black 2 cartridge [ the Ortophon Red was too bright ] through Magnepan MG12/QR speakers.Tried a highly regarded Elac speaker--no change as far as the violins go, but way inferior to those dramatic Maggies.So, there you have it. Is it the equipment? Is the state of the art not up to recording violins? Is it me? [its o.k.-I can take it}. In closing,a couple of years ago,I had phone conversation with a well known person associated with a major speaker company about this. His response :[ paraphrased ] Violins are a problem--don't like 'em.  Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Hi Wolfie
Counting past one is not your forte.
A violin concerto is NOT massed violins.  Even a double violin concerto.



Do you know how hi resolution recording is done today ?
Are the studios recording to high speed tape or to DXD or to both simultaneously ?
As to their vinly offerings, are they mastered from tape or DXD (or other) digital masters ?
Thanks for any info.
Hi Wolfie
Counting past one is not your forte.
A violin concerto is NOT massed violins
How many violins make a mass?

I dont know if he know how to count, but you must learn how to count  the many strings instruments there is in a an orchestra perhaps....

« Before seeing the dog in the eyes of others look at the elephant in yours» -Groucho Marx
I’m a musician (trumpet) who plays in an orchestra (well, not at the moment actually - sniff!).

I too struggled with building a sound system that could handle the challenges of classical music.

I didn’t achieve that until two things happened:

1. I acquired a pair of hybrid electrostatics (Martin Logan Spires), and
2. I powered them with 600W monoblocks (70’s era Soundcraftsmen)

I should add that I rarely listen to anything beyond the first two notches on the preamp's volume dial.

Classical music has to be one of the most challenging genres of music for any system to reproduce. Therefore, if it wasn’t recorded well from the start, no system will be able to make up for that. I look for recordings by Telarc, RCA Living Stereo, Decca, Deutsche Grammophon and Sony. I am rarely, if ever, disappointed in their recordings (the conductor maybe, the recording - no).

And I disagree with those who claim that *any* speaker can faithfully reproduce classical music recordings. That has not been my experience.

YMMV.
ymmv, as I said above I have only heard ESLs get massed violins right. Dynamic drives are incapable of doing this correctly because of cross overs and dispersion characteristics. Some ribbon speakers can almost get it right but you still have to deal with cross overs.

ymmv , it gets even better. Save up for a pair of Sound Labs 545's. No cross over at all. Voices will take on a palpable quality that your speakers have some trouble with due to the cross to the woofer. Once you have the 545's you will never be interested in another speaker:)