A Couple Little Things I'm Wondering About

Millercarbon has a splendid imagination.

And the people who heard my system, they all imagine the same?
How do you explain Deborah hearing it even with her eyes closed? 
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367#&gid=1&pid=10
Your blind MDS hatred is getting the better of you again, Mike. 

Tweaks are pornography for audiophiles 

Shouldn't have gone there. Cut you slack for so long now, but Oh well. You did. Too late now.

Sounds like something a measurebator would say.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/7.htm

See Equipment Measurebator: Bottom Level 1 (Hell).

You ever want to try and claw your way up from the bottom let me know. But first you have to knock off the insults and apologize. Yeah. Congratulations. You made the list. Bye!

facten

To each his own experience and YMMV. I was skeptical about cable elevators but decided what the hell give them a try . I have found they make a difference whether the cables are on wood floors or carpet. The benefit in my 2 systems was apparent right away . I'll +1 millercarbon on these statements he made. 

" Greatly improve sound quality. I've done demo's. Its easy to hear "
" Improve clarity, detail, soundstage depth, and focus "

Thanks. Unfortunately as you can see those of us actually willing to try and listen are outnumbered and insulted for the crime of being audiophiles with the audacity to LISTEN and CARE what things sound like.

They have driven off a number of highly accomplished audiophiles. We got rid of one, and a big one, so that's a start. This site needs a total house cleaning. Appreciate any and all help. 

I vote big shot MC to be the first to go then. 

Let me get this right. So now we can’t hear any of the noise created by our gear, wires, home circuitry, carpets or jittery sources when we play music loudly? That’s when we hear it the most! If the S/N ratio is 60db (below normal conversation) you can’t hear it? Yeah, that’s about as sophisticated as we thought back in 1975 when an AR turntable seemed quiet.
Is this supposed to be a zero-sum game where you either hear it or you don’t?
Noise is not a separate track to be measured and heard at the same time as the desired signal. The noise is part of the signal riding in its entrails like the Coronavirus, infecting and inflaming and generally causing mayhem to our systems.

My doc says my sore shoulder should respond to anti-inflammatories, so I take one . . . and I massage the sucker . . . and I apply heat . . . and I exercise it . . . and I do anything I can to relieve the inflammation regardless of whether or not I can identify the aspirin, heat, or massage as affecting a particular muscle. It’s better!
Apply some anti-inflammatories to your system and then turn it up and enjoy what you have wrought.

Skepticism is the opiate of the closet misanthropist—who expresses his derision for others’ findings/opinions by claiming his own are based upon ‘science’ but then refusing to provide the numbers proving cable elevators to be snake oil.

If you think that constantly tweaking and using things like cable elevators makes you an artist and not a measurebator as per Ken, then I don't think you understand what he was trying to communicate. Of course, the fact he was talking about creation as opposed to recreation really makes your point rather moot. I will guarantee you that when he prints a photo, or uses a monitor for review, he expects dead accurate color reproduction and would not take to kindly to a print shop deciding his choice of color tone was wrong.


There are some honest audiophile, at least honest with themselves who admit they are not trying for reproduction accuracy, and hence most measurements really don't matter. 


When you get to elevators and RCA covers, we are no longer personal preference in sound not artistry, except as some have pointed out, the elevators can look nice.