Help me understand "the swarm" in the broader audiophile world


I'm still fairly new out here and am curious about this Swarm thing. I've never owned a subwoofer but I find reading about them--placement, room treatments, nodes, the crawl, etc--fascinating. I'm interested in the concept of the Swarm and the DEBRA systems, and I have a very specific question. The few times I've been in high-end, audiophile stores and asked about the concept of the Swarm, I've tended to get some eye-rolling. They're selling single or paired subwoofers that individually often cost more and sometimes much more than a quartet of inexpensive, modest subs. The same thing can be said for many speaker companies that make both speakers and subs; it's not like I see Vandersteen embracing the use of four Sub 3's. 

My question is this: do in fact high-end stores embrace the concept of multiple, inexpensive subs? If not, cynicism aside, why not? Or why doesn't Vandersteen or JL or REL and so on design their own swarm? For those out here who love multiple subs, is it a niche thing? Is it a certain kind of sound that is appealing to certain ears? The true believers proselytize with such zeal that I find it intriguing and even convincing, and yet it's obviously a minority of listeners who do it, even those who have dedicated listening rooms. (I'm talking about the concept of four+ subs, mixed and matched, etc. I know plenty of folks who embrace two subs. And I may be wrong about all my assumptions here--really.)

Now, one favor, respectfully: I understand the concept and don't need to be convinced of why it's great. That's all over literally every post on this forum that mentions the word "sub." I'm really interested in why, as far as I can tell, stores and speaker companies (and maybe most audiophile review sites?) mostly don't go for it--and why, for that matter, many audiophiles don't either (putting aside the obvious reason of room limits). Other than room limitations, why would anyone buy a single JL or REL or Vandy sub when you could spend less and get ... the swarm? 


northman
My hope is that Duke continues to do well with it helping people enjoy music more :-)
I also have been involved in Audio since 1976 and prior to Duke’s use of swarm never heard usage of that term. As for the K-Troll, ignore him.
@erik_squires Erik, you make many valuable contributions to the site, but this approach where you actively work to stir up controversy is contributing to the negative tone of this site and that aspect is driving away many long-time valuable contributers. 

As I've said elsewhere, if only everyone simply believed in education and experience sharing without attacks or the need for everyone to agree on various opinions/perspectives the site would be a lot more useful (and sustainable).
As I've said elsewhere, if only everyone simply believed in education and experience sharing without attacks or the need for everyone to agree on various opinions/perspectives the site would be a lot more useful (and sustainable).


Imagine there's no Heaven. Its easy if you try. No hell below us, above us only sky. Imagine all the people living for today.

Like, you know, a cow. Moo.
I’m trying to model the behaviors I’d like to see in others.

One of the ways in which I’d like to behave is to say my peace and move on.

Just random thoughts apropos of nothing in particular.


Erik
Hello Erik,

     My wish for you is to audition and experience the Swarm.  Possibly Duke or James Romeyn could arrange it?  Or, you're welcome to stop by my house if you're near Indy.
     You could then state your objective, apropos thoughts on the Swarm.  Perhaps say your piece and move on?  I know I'd find it very interesting.

Tim