Does the first reflection point actually matter??

I saw a interesting video about carpet and first reflection floor points.

Here is a myth to bust!

The carpet that we can see as a thin sound absorber do NOTHING to the first reflection point on the floor.

Instead what the carpet do is that it absorb only/mostly the high frequencies instead from 2nd and higher order of reflection.

Something to keep in mind. Look at the graph in the video:
https://youtu.be/GpDHo1jNhss

This example with thin carpet shows that we should always go for the thickest absorbers that we can get.

may I suggest that moving speakers into a near-field listening position,

To no avail.... People dont realize that nearfield listening cannot canceal the room acoustic at all... I know that firsthand, i listen to the 2 positions and i had implemented not only passive but also active room controls...

The impression that listening nearfield gives you some freedom from the room acoustic is only an illusion born with a comparison between the 2 positions before any working methods of controls were incrementally put in place....Without any changes in acoustic of the room, nearfield ans regular position of listening for sure are different but they are greatly affected by the presence or absence of room controls and treatment anyway....

You can’t do much with room acoustics until you reach a critical mass.

My experience concur with that... Optimal results cannot be gained without this critical mass of active controls and passive treatment...An equilibrium between absorbing, reflecting and diffusing for me....And more than that also the use of active devices....


In acoustic of "small room" only your EARS can do the job, because of the geometry and topology of the room and because last and not least of the acoustical variable content of the room furnitures and objects.......

Timbre instrument perception and imaging perception are phenomenon for living ears only.....They dont comes at their OPTIMAL actualization only by virtue of a correcting apparatus of any kind....

Ears are king in the kingdom of sound.... Especially " biased" one because it is these biased ears of yours that will listen your music in this room of yours....There is no 2 identical pair of ears by the way....And the complex structure and dynamical properties of your ears and of the room are ONE indissocciable phenomenon in the music experience....

:)

for the OP

Are you sure you have well determined the 1st reflection points? have you treated all 1st reflection points? meaning the 1st reflection at the ceiling, at both side walls, behind your listening position and off the floor?

ime, even just treating the side walls, then removing the side-panels, makes a tremendous difference. but the magic happens when all 5 first reflections points have been dealt with.

as the post prior to mine mention, make sure your panels are thick enough with good fiberglass or real material used from the likes of GIK. carpets actually make thingrs worst cause they absorb upper mids and treble, but do nothing in the bass and mids. ideally, you want your 1st reflection panels as thick as possible (mine are 8 inch thick). the goal of room treatment is to acheive even decay (ETC) at all frequencies, but carpets will make just the opposite (will absorb the highs, but do nothing in the bass therefore it really doesnt acheive the goal of even decay at all FR)

ok, after reading the OP’s. he’s full of cough cough
clueless dude when it comes to acoustic. hahaha.
I suspect he read Toole "studies" then drink the cool aid. worst, you think you understand room acoustic now.
Eric, yes first reflection points are a "myth" like you say. you can sleep soundly now.

EDIT:
" Wow, @lemonhaze you misread my original post and misread my "preaching to the choir" post and now are all mad about both.

Let’s just agree to disagree and move on."

I guess I did too eric misunderstand your OP. you begin the thread with "1st reflection is a myth", then finally go on to admit you know close to nothing to "should noobs buy a mic or ask experts at GIK".

Understanding the basic of room acoustic honestly took me a good week of reading, asking experts at gearslutz, GIK, in order to simply understand the basics of it. I wasnt sure if I should trust GIK alone, so went my own way and must have read at least 100 hours on room acoustic subject. Gik are mostly right btw. I personally think they sell too thin panels however, DIY is much much much better value for money if you want to create a FRZ (free reflective zone). 

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