More power for moderate listening levels?


Hi,

I can't seem to find good information regarding the effect of relatively high powered amps on low to moderate listening levels. I have a low powered class A amp that sounds wonderful at moderate volumes but not surprisingly shows signs of strain when cranked up. I am contemplating an upgrade that would bring much more power to solve this problem. However, since I don't play music really loud that often I'm wondering if the upgrade is really all that necessary. It would be worth it if the reserve power of the new amplifier improved sound quality at all levels.     

Thanks for your help,

Brian
brianbiehs
Here's the thing.. That  Mack and that Porsche both have close to the same horsepower, and torque.. Look them up you'll see. 2-500 hp with
1-2000 foot lbs of torque..  The difference is the size of the parts..... 
Foot lb of torque... BIGGER

Same thing with speakers, it's where the speaker starts to distort not how efficient it is. The E factor is rather arbitrary, IF the distortion is LOW and reproduction is correct, Audiofile or not.... That is my end of the line goal.

If I can reproduce quality sound from 40db to 115db, I'm a pretty happy soul.  I don't use my ears either.  I've found if you don't run sound test, and collect your own data, your wasting your time..

When I mentioned the 84% speakers, the factory was 89 or 91.. THEY aren't usually accurate, and it's REAL easy to fudge the measurements.

Bigger amp, treat the room... You want to make sure to run some test and see if its running out of gas, and distorting... Pass is not the end all amp it's made out to be.. It is a great amp though.. I like Ampzilla, Serious amp, there. Hook a single 2000, up.. You'll see.. Compare the two..
Wish I would have never sold them...:-( You could have turn them up until your ears bleed, with those speakers... 25 watts is 25 watts plane and simple.

Regards


Brian, I think you answered your own question. If you are straining at times you either need more power, more efficient speakers or add subwoofers and a 2 way crossover. 
I am of the camp that there is no such thing as too much power. XA100.8s would be the minimum IMHO. For that money I would get JC1+'s. Good high powered amps have an effortlessness missing in smaller amps(unless you have very efficient speakers.) Before you notice the harshness the amp is already clipping on transients "stressing the sound."  I tend to go for speakers on the less efficient side, 89dB or so and would never consider an amp less than 200 watts. I also have a tendency to gravitate towards class A amplifiers and I also use subwoofers crossed at 125dB which increases the headroom of my system 10 dB. With all this I can get 110 dB out of ESLs. More than enough to give you a headache. 
With your system I would (and this is me) get a Trinnov Amethyst preamp, XA 100.8's and at least two passive subs. With the Harbeths this would give you a SOTA point source system for sure which should do an easy 105 dB probably more. It would be totally effortless at lower levels and for sure put a big smile on your face whenever you light it up.

Mike
What you are looking for is more of what the XA25 delivers, power and great sound. 
Much to sort through here. I thought the thread might die after a few posts but the community here really came through. Thanks all. 
I owned the Harbeth SHL5+ for many years and they sound great at moderate volume as well as loud volume. I bought the Harbeth's because I sold my house and they played well at lower volumes unlike the Vandersteen Quatro's I had before.

I successfully used an Ayre AX-7e in combination with an Ayre Codex and in my 15 x 21 x 9 room I could not crank the volume loud enough to cause any distortion. The Ayre is only 60 watts and still drove the SHL5+ well. I upgraded to the Aesthetix Mimas integrated, which puts out 150 watts a channel, and that was even better. So I am not sure that more power is the answer you are looking for. Alan Shaw says that any 100 watt+ amp should work on any of his speakers. I would suggest trying a few different amps to see what works best with the Harbeth's in your room.

I did try the Pass 250.5 amplifier along with the Audio Research LS26 preamp and I did not like it with the Harbeth's. Nothing against Pass, just not my cup of tea. Sounded great with my Quatro's though.

Good Luck!