Anyone listen to Zu Audio's Definition Mk3?

One last thing- people with dedicated rooms and lavish treatment have the potential to go overboard and try and remove every frequency anomoly and Rives in particular has taken some flack on boards and ended up with some unhappy folks. (I did a L1 existing room, so mine was incremental by nature).

But that doesn't mean the basic concepts of reducing slap echo and early reflections isn't a worthy cause.

Also, just like anything in this hobby--people become very picky and have high demands from acoustic companies. These audiophiles are just as bad as the "cables changed my life" crowd that put new cables on a cooker once a week and spend 10k on a system worth of copper.

Room treatment, just like speaker placement, can be changed and variable to tailor to likes/needs. Start easy and see what you like.

Keithr,
The question I asked you about enjoying music in phil`s room is relevant. Either you do or you don`t enjoy listening there. If you do then in spite of the acoustical flaws you mentioned previously, the music communication is intact thus allowing an emotional connection.

Yes the room could be further improved(I`m certain) but the fact that his room satifies on an engaging level is significant.I`d imagine you`ve been in 'some' treated rooms that were`nt enjoyable as well as those that were very well done.Should`nt the music be inviting and draw people in ?
Regards,

Wow 213 so full of yourself. Me/I/mine/my. You got the self loud button on full blast.

Really, if anyone *ever* visits my home and doesn't enjoy the music I'm playing (or they asked for) because I have a bass rise, some acoustic bounce and only a 14' x 21' space with a coffee table and a flat screen.....well.....they aren't getting the Pappy Van Winkle's 23 either, and they will be welcome to depart disappointed.

Pappy Van Winkle's 23 should be added to your system page under tweaks. Along with tubes (http://www.stereophile.com/content/god-nuances), the 23 may make your more laissez faire about room acoustics. Not a bad thing....

Charles1dad-

Hard not to like your own speakers in any room, so yes of course I enjoy sound at Phil's. But yes, I think it's a compromise and there is room for substantive improvement.

The contention that just because a room has treatments that it interferes with a living space is erroneous as well. I have architecturally interesting diffusers and ceiling tiles (vs. hidden) and host a variety of events during the year. I did art panels that turned out great in the back of the room with top of the line photography. I would have my reflections panels hidden as well if it were a more permanent installation- but as a result I have 3 grey panels that blend in with my wall paint color, but are somewhat obtrusive. I can take them down for any party if I'm that particular. And yes, I have a coffee table.

I just find a lot of made up excuses when it comes to treatments. Most people spend leagues of time worrying about the wrong things--when room/speaker makes by far makes the biggest difference in sound. Even 213Cobra has never tried an external piece of room treatment in his room, so until then all of his opinion is really just pure speculation.

One last thing- the thing people notice the most coming into my room isn't treatment, but the Zus themselves. So if you want gear that is hidden and unobtrusive, please look to a traditional looking speaker. They think I'm a whack job right when they come in the door!