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I admire Miles Davis, i admire Stravinsky; but i loved Chet Baker and Scriabin...You?

What we listen to we cannot trace always a border between cold or cool admiration and heart wrenching love at first sight....

I admire Bach without limit but i love also him dearly....Here admiration and love are one....

The first time li listen to Chet Baker i was not even sure if it was a great trumpetist, but i love him without knowing why....

More i listen to Miles Davis more i admire him but i still wait for love to come....I like it a lot but it is not love and i know the first time i listen to him why he is a great trumpetist, unlike Chet, his mastering of the instrument was evident.... For Chet i listen not the trumpet but the voice of his instrument, i even forgot he was playing the trumpet and the question if he was great was secondary....Miles was great without any doubts.... But i am in love with Chet because he touch my heart.....



Sometimes the frontier between these 2 are less clear, i admire Brahms but i like him more than i love him.... Bruckner i admire him like a new Bach and i love him like our old grandpa with a feeling that will never end....

I admire Monteverdi at the level of my admiration for Bach, but i like him only , it is not this passionnate love that changes my heart and life like with those i love...

I love Bill Evans dearly but i admire Keith Jarrett greatly but without any passion....

I admire and love Vivaldi at the same times.....

I admire Telemann, Haendel, Haydn more than i love them..... I am in love with Purcell tough and Josquin Desprez.....

I admire Hildegard the Bingen and i love her without words.... I am in love with the organ composer Pachelbel but i only admire Palestrina....

I admire Arvo Part very much, but am i in love? No....Excep perhaps for one or 2 of his work: Alina for example....I admire and love Gorecki symphony of tears but not much the rest....Only respect for the rest of his works....

I admire Arrau, Horowitz, many pianists but am i in love? No, but i am in total love with Ervin Nyiregyházi , Ivan Moravec, or Sofronitsky....

I admire the composer Sorabji almost like Bach but dont feel any love at all....Deep fascination and admiration for a genius  that never speak from the heart to the heart, only from his brain to my brain.... But what a genius ! 

I admire many, many, female singers, but i am in love with only a few, i love Billie Holiday, Marianne Anderson for example....

I will not go on with my list any longer...

But what speak to our heart and what speak to our brain is not the same and sometimes some music speak for us to the 2 part of ourselves...

But one thing must me clear, i dont want to live without the great musicians whom i only admire. I like them like interesting friends, even if i am not changed by love at first sight with them, swimming in the sea of adoration....


What are those you admire but only like ? What are those you clearly are in love with?

When the brain speak first and always, it is admiration and friendship not love.... In love there is a mystery in with we participate and which transform our life....

Those who we admire gives us pleasure.... Those who we love gives us not only that but an ultimate meaning that go to your heart.....


Listening music is learning to listen into the many levels in us where music can reach and transform us.... Each music or musician has this potential to change us at a level or at another one, or at all levels simultaneously....But for sure it is different for each of us......

I apologize if my OP makes no sense for some.... I hope my question will make sense for some....

Thanks......

mahgister
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mahgister OP
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My thread is more interesting than i think it  would be.... Thanks to all of you....

Food for thought!

One remark, i like Beethoven, but when i listen to the 6th symphony, , and the 14 th quatuor, the same Oppenheimer rush to listen to after the detonation of his bomb, and the allegretto of the 7th symphony, which is the more powerful musical movement in the history of music able to ressuscitate and  able to reanimate dead flowers and dead souls....i listen to all that and said to myself that this Beethoven i only like, it is in fact impossible to not love him completely whithout any restriction at all.... If i only like him now the fault is then with my cold heart indeed or my brain too great influence....

Beethoven like Christ or Bach, is a myth rooted in human heart and not only in musical history....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDpDwZZA248
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mahgister OP
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Gimme a good tune. Even if it’s a weirdo, spiky, backwards one. One that cuts through the clutter. One that gets past the frontal lobes.

This one will past the frontal lobes of anything, except perhaps stones...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK3OnGXnbkg

This one too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOI

If you want to know why sometimes angels are silent in heaven it is because they listen to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXhdUC43Jq0


I dont know if we can qualify all that to be "good tunes" tough....

Perhaps not..... 😁😊





I forgot this one than can make stones think with frontal lobes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbg4TSP44yU

It is certainly no more a "tune"...

Harmony takes melody to another scale so to speak.....




This one no one can whistle it walking between the reddening volcanic embers on the last shore of the world :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6E18gH-w1A

Pure harmonies out of this world...

No frontal lobe could have ever ever written this music, nor any A. I.






But at the end, perhaps you only want a "good tune", a bit weirdo...

Try this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpNn1nht0_8

I dont know if it will get past the frontal lobes but this will certainly mix them ... 😁


Happy New Year....

schubert
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To all the Mahler fans , and it seems he has the most. If you are in Vienna(Wien) and you should be because everybody that does such things , including the UN ,says it is the best city in the world to live in .

You must go the Central Cemetery(friedhof). From left to right two other composers. I believe to be his betters, Schubert and Brahms, lay side by side .


But not to worry, just left the around corner from Schubert lies Mahler .When I was there standing before Schubert, two Japanese Couples came next to me . The two men had at least 50 pounds of every know flower which they laid with great care(Japanese) . Then one of the men laid down on Schubert’s resting place and wept like a baby ! The other 3 went to their knees , lowered the heads and raised their hands in prayer . Were still there when I left .
schubert
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This is Bach's  hello to the New Year beautify played and perfectly sung
by the lady who does him the best , Elly Ameling  .
https://youtu.be/R0wRAt4rIUQ?t=2
schubert
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Think I will just get to the point .

I believe this the Greatest piece of Music ever written.The first is what you would have heard in a small North German Church in Bach’s Time . I prefer this version.

https://youtu.be/__lCZeePG48?t=1

Full version take your choice .
https://youtu.be/6j8BJ21yLoA?t=3


I VERY seldom use the word genius , Karl Richter was a genius !
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