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I admire Miles Davis, i admire Stravinsky; but i loved Chet Baker and Scriabin...You?

What we listen to we cannot trace always a border between cold or cool admiration and heart wrenching love at first sight....

I admire Bach without limit but i love also him dearly....Here admiration and love are one....

The first time li listen to Chet Baker i was not even sure if it was a great trumpetist, but i love him without knowing why....

More i listen to Miles Davis more i admire him but i still wait for love to come....I like it a lot but it is not love and i know the first time i listen to him why he is a great trumpetist, unlike Chet, his mastering of the instrument was evident.... For Chet i listen not the trumpet but the voice of his instrument, i even forgot he was playing the trumpet and the question if he was great was secondary....Miles was great without any doubts.... But i am in love with Chet because he touch my heart.....



Sometimes the frontier between these 2 are less clear, i admire Brahms but i like him more than i love him.... Bruckner i admire him like a new Bach and i love him like our old grandpa with a feeling that will never end....

I admire Monteverdi at the level of my admiration for Bach, but i like him only , it is not this passionnate love that changes my heart and life like with those i love...

I love Bill Evans dearly but i admire Keith Jarrett greatly but without any passion....

I admire and love Vivaldi at the same times.....

I admire Telemann, Haendel, Haydn more than i love them..... I am in love with Purcell tough and Josquin Desprez.....

I admire Hildegard the Bingen and i love her without words.... I am in love with the organ composer Pachelbel but i only admire Palestrina....

I admire Arvo Part very much, but am i in love? No....Excep perhaps for one or 2 of his work: Alina for example....I admire and love Gorecki symphony of tears but not much the rest....Only respect for the rest of his works....

I admire Arrau, Horowitz, many pianists but am i in love? No, but i am in total love with Ervin Nyiregyházi , Ivan Moravec, or Sofronitsky....

I admire the composer Sorabji almost like Bach but dont feel any love at all....Deep fascination and admiration for a genius  that never speak from the heart to the heart, only from his brain to my brain.... But what a genius ! 

I admire many, many, female singers, but i am in love with only a few, i love Billie Holiday, Marianne Anderson for example....

I will not go on with my list any longer...

But what speak to our heart and what speak to our brain is not the same and sometimes some music speak for us to the 2 part of ourselves...

But one thing must me clear, i dont want to live without the great musicians whom i only admire. I like them like interesting friends, even if i am not changed by love at first sight with them, swimming in the sea of adoration....


What are those you admire but only like ? What are those you clearly are in love with?

When the brain speak first and always, it is admiration and friendship not love.... In love there is a mystery in with we participate and which transform our life....

Those who we admire gives us pleasure.... Those who we love gives us not only that but an ultimate meaning that go to your heart.....


Listening music is learning to listen into the many levels in us where music can reach and transform us.... Each music or musician has this potential to change us at a level or at another one, or at all levels simultaneously....But for sure it is different for each of us......

I apologize if my OP makes no sense for some.... I hope my question will make sense for some....

Thanks......

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mahgister OP
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This is an example of an interesting list thanks
gardners501


LIKING is related to the brain and the admiration is justified by an a posteriori reflexion...It is related to the fact that some composers ask in us for an adaptation who made ourself able to taming them...



LOVING is related to the heart and the emotion is spontaneous and direct without a posteriori analysis...

It is this way because emotions contains an a priori analysis...

Pascal: " the heart has his reasons that the reason ignore".


Then we must look at your list if we want to know you and comparing your intellectual and emotional motivated choices....


I bet people now begins to understand why a list pondered by the polarities of the heart and brain is very instructive and said to us something which pertain to the character of the person who has chosen the list more clearly than just a linear list....

We can then imagine ourself listening to a composer with the perspective given to us by an other who like or love a specific composer... If we do that it is helping us to relativize our own choices and then we learn something about ourself too...

This is the OBJECTIVE REASON for my thread....Not imposing my tastes.... 😌Or not for other to impose their tastes...

Behind my thread is a real question....


edcyn
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I love Stravinsky.  My dad always thought his stuff sounded ugly, but that didn't stop him from giving me a Petroushka mono LP when I was about ten (around 1960).  The orchestra was the ultra-obscure Cento Soli of Paris.  It was on a budget label.  I'll bet he got it for free. Anyway, it took several plays for me to make hide-or-hair of it but it wasn't long before I loved it and was singing along with it.  I took it to my sixth grade class on Share Your Favorite Record Friday. Naturally, everybody hated it.
frogman
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**** I bet people now begins to understand why a list pondered by the polarities of the heart and brain is very instructive and said to us something which pertain to the character of the person who has chosen the list more clearly than just a linear list....****

At the risk of showing arrogance, from my first post here:

**** Important to give enough relevance to the simple fact that the distinctions made often say much more about ourselves as music lovers (and possibly in other ways as well) and less about the artists in any absolute sense. ****

Four notes; just four notes of absolute perfection following the dreamy and mysterious introduction. Not the kind of perfection that appeals to the brain only, but perfection of clarity in musical intent and attitude conveying surprise, purpose and, of course, swing. He makes the heart swing. How can one not love Miles?  Just me.

https://youtu.be/tguu4m38U78
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mahgister OP
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Yes the part about ourself is the first aspect, but the invitation to change ourself, if someone like you interrogate my love in this case for Chet Baker is the key part of my initial question...

Now reading you, saying what you said, and thinking what i think about Chet, it will be interesting for me to listen at the first occasion   Miles' music and reconsiderating my "liking" without for sure imposing nothing artificial on myself, just listening with an open minds...

Revisiting ourself  is an exercise in consciousness...

Thanks to make me able and tempted to do so...

My best to you and my deep salutation to Miles....
cd318
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I like Chet Baker too. Another poor soul in search of the divine. Got to love Chet Baker.

Same way about Coltrane, the humanity is obvious, but not Miles. His sound just bristles with anger and inner turbulence.
For some it might be an exploratory journey but it's not one that held much fascination for me.

Davis, I feel was at his best with the right collaborators. Springsville is one good example and of course there will always be Kind of Blue.
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